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Old 08-27-2010, 01:54 AM
 
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Too bad the quran is just fiction then isn't it...Paradise is a nice dream, but I'm afraid that is all it is....I would pass on the virgins though in favour of a woman who knows what she is doing.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:43 PM
 
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when you fight in the name of Allah and you happen to die in battle then you are considered a martyr, if you commit suicide, any form of suicide, it doesnt matter if you claim to commit suicide in the name of Allah, its forbidden. thats just as bad as killing an innocent person and claiming to do it in the name of Allah, it doesnt make it any different, its still forbidden. you should research the differences between suicide and martyrdom. suicide is a selfish act. a martyr is someone that unfortunately dies fighting in the name of Allah righteously. Insha Allah i hope this answered your question.

yes i see it on the news everyday, suicide bombers killing there enemies with what ever means possible.!! doesn't matter how many inocent woman and children muslims they take out in the process of trying to kill a few infadels..

isalm is a cruel barbaric religion that needs to be silenced one and for all..

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Old 08-27-2010, 10:55 PM
 
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yes i see it on the news everyday, suicide bombers killing there enemies with what ever means possible.!! doesn't matter how many inocent woman and children muslims they take out in the process of trying to kill a few infidels..

isalm is a cruel barbaric religion that needs to be silenced one and for all..
Actually in Iraq they are not really trying to kill infidels...Sunnis are killing Shiites and Shiites are killing Sunnis... It is a daily occurrence.

Wednesday 25 August: 83 killed

Baghdad: 20 by car bombs.
Kut: 30 by suicide car bomber.
Talafar: 1 child killed in rocket attacks.
Ramadi: 5 by car bombs.
Mosul: 4 by car bomb, 1 policeman shot dead.
Muqdadiya: 3 by car bomb.
Tikrit: 3 by IEDs.
Karbala: 7 by car bomb.
Baquba: 3 by car bomb.
Kirkuk: 1 by car bomb.
Falluja: 1 by car bomb.
Mahmudiya: 1 by bomb in shop.
Basra: 1 by car bomb.
Beiji: 1 by car bomb.
Iskandariya: 1 by car bomb.


Thursday 26 August: 24 killed

Baghdad: son of Sahwa member shot dead, 4 bodies found.
Falluja: policeman killed by gunmen.
Dali Abbas: 8 Sahwa by IED, gunfire.
Shirqat: 2 Sahwa.
Mosul: 4 policemen by IED.
Abdul Hamid: 3 in bombings.
Ba'shiqah: 1 by IED.

It is not just happening in Iraq either...Islam seems to be a rather violent religion judging by this.. American Thinker: Muslims Killing Muslims in the Name of Jihad
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:15 PM
 
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Actually in Iraq they are not really trying to kill infidels...Sunnis are killing Shiites and Shiites are killing Sunnis... It is a daily occurrence.

Wednesday 25 August: 83 killed

Baghdad: 20 by car bombs.
Kut: 30 by suicide car bomber.
Talafar: 1 child killed in rocket attacks.
Ramadi: 5 by car bombs.
Mosul: 4 by car bomb, 1 policeman shot dead.
Muqdadiya: 3 by car bomb.
Tikrit: 3 by IEDs.
Karbala: 7 by car bomb.
Baquba: 3 by car bomb.
Kirkuk: 1 by car bomb.
Falluja: 1 by car bomb.
Mahmudiya: 1 by bomb in shop.
Basra: 1 by car bomb.
Beiji: 1 by car bomb.
Iskandariya: 1 by car bomb.


Thursday 26 August: 24 killed

Baghdad: son of Sahwa member shot dead, 4 bodies found.
Falluja: policeman killed by gunmen.
Dali Abbas: 8 Sahwa by IED, gunfire.
Shirqat: 2 Sahwa.
Mosul: 4 policemen by IED.
Abdul Hamid: 3 in bombings.
Ba'shiqah: 1 by IED.

It is not just happening in Iraq either...Islam seems to be a rather violent religion judging by this.. American Thinker: Muslims Killing Muslims in the Name of Jihad
well they must be some sort of infadels they are killing, infadel is just another word for enemy in my book,thats what i meant. it's simply amazing the amount of their own people they kill indiscrimiately,> in the words of the all mighty allah they are the most coward fighters of all, walk into a mosque and blow up women and children or just whoever is in there to kill some other sect that they don't tolerate..
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Old 01-07-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Are the females in jannat Muslims?
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Old 01-07-2016, 02:42 PM
 
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Are the females in jannat Muslims?
Everyone in Jannah is Muslim. That includes women. In Islam women are equal to men and receive the same rewards and punishments as men. While women are not always treated equallt on earth, they are supposed to be. But earth is not Jannah and not all men do what they should do.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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In Islam women are NOT equal to men and DO NOT receive the same rewards and punishments as men.

The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:
Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . .

Imagine if this read: Your men are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . .
But no, women are subjugated to whatever perversions men demand whenever they demand them.
The husband controlls their sex life. If a woman does not want to have sex, then angels curse her:
. . . 'If a man invites his wife to sleep with him and she refuses to come to him, then the angels send their curses on her till morning.' (Bukhari)

No mention of angels cursing men.

Quran in Sura 4:11 says: Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females...

A woman's testimony counts half of a man's testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282:
And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women...
No equality there!

This hadith removes any ambiguity about Sura 2:282:

The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.' Bukhari 3:48:826

Quran 4:25 says "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, ..."

Quran 4:24 allows rape of captive women and slaves,
Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess.

Let's look at more context.

This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

Muhammed and his men mass raped captive women with Allah's full approval. I can't find any mention allowing women to rape men, or to beat them which is also allowed for men to beat women in Islam.

Quran 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.

Men can marry up to 4 women (Muhammed married 13 or 14) but women can only marry one man. BTW, Muhammed's first wife (much older then he) was rich and Muhammed spent her money.

About beating women:
4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them.

No mention of women being allowed to beat men.

These are just a few mentions of inequality. I'll end with a quote from Muhammed's 9 year old child bride:

Bukhari (72:715) - "Aisha said, 'I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women'"
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Old 07-03-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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To everyone here. The descriptions of Heaven and Hell is more a guide to help you decide which direction you choose at the end is what you get. So it's like being a parent. You tell your child if you stay in school, do good and finish college the rewards would be greater, with great paying jobs and nice home and car, you can afford alot more. But if you drop out, don't go to college, get into drugs, you will live in torment, poor, homeless, have nothing but misery.

So even the Bible describes heaven in gold, gems, beauty, why not. Who says that is wrong. If it comes from God. It also describes hell as a lake of fire, screams, torment over and over with no rest. Not sure where you get 70 virgins per man or boy, because their is no mention of that in Quran, now there is a weak Hadith, meaning it's not acceptable by Islamic scholars, of 72 virgins, weak means does not hold up in any holy book, but migilants, regimes, ISIS, uses this weak verbiage to brain wash their soldiers to commit sinful killings. But in reality God does not has not will not condone or reward suicide bombing of any kind.
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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To everyone here. The descriptions of Heaven and Hell is more a guide to help you decide which direction you choose at the end is what you get. So it's like being a parent. You tell your child if you stay in school, do good and finish college the rewards would be greater, with great paying jobs and nice home and car, you can afford alot more. But if you drop out, don't go to college, get into drugs, you will live in torment, poor, homeless, have nothing but misery.

So even the Bible describes heaven in gold, gems, beauty, why not. Who says that is wrong. If it comes from God. It also describes hell as a lake of fire, screams, torment over and over with no rest. Not sure where you get 70 virgins per man or boy, because their is no mention of that in Quran, now there is a weak Hadith, meaning it's not acceptable by Islamic scholars, of 72 virgins, weak means does not hold up in any holy book, but migilants, regimes, ISIS, uses this weak verbiage to brain wash their soldiers to commit sinful killings. But in reality God does not has not will not condone or reward suicide bombing of any kind.
One of many problems is that the direction that you MUST go is submission to a god that is evil. It is this god that makes terrible threats of unspeakable torture that he will inflict if you don't believe in him and submit to him.

Islam promotes terrorism and hate and sex with children and slavery and slaughter and mass rape, human rights abuses and much more evil. Is that really the road to heaven, if there was such a thing?

And we have allah, the ultimate sadist, threatening this horrific torture THAT HE WILL DO TO US. This allah is the torturer. Don't dare compare that with someone offering good advice but will not torture you if you don't follow that advice! Allah makes '50 Shades of Gray' look like a kindergarden fairy tale!!

Qur’an 22:19-22 “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Allah is far worse than Hannibal Lecter!
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:11 PM
 
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One of many problems is that the direction that you MUST go is submission to a god that is evil. It is this god that makes terrible threats of unspeakable torture that he will inflict if you don't believe in him and submit to him.

Islam promotes terrorism and hate and sex with children and slavery and slaughter and mass rape, human rights abuses and much more evil. Is that really the road to heaven, if there was such a thing?

And we have allah, the ultimate sadist, threatening this horrific torture THAT HE WILL DO TO US. This allah is the torturer. Don't dare compare that with someone offering good advice but will not torture you if you don't follow that advice! Allah makes '50 Shades of Gray' look like a kindergarden fairy tale!!

Qur’an 22:19-22 “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Allah is far worse than Hannibal Lecter!
Look closely at this part.

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Islam promotes terrorism and hate and sex with children and slavery and slaughter and mass rape, human rights abuses and much more evil. Is that really the road to heaven, if there was such a thing?
Are you aware of the severity of the punishments for those convicted of such crimes? Do you really believe that facing severe penalties for committing such, promotes them?

You are not going to learn much about Islam simply by reading the Qur'an and Ahadith. Especially the interpretations and opinions of those opposed to Islam. One needs to learn more about the laws and traditions actually adhered to by most Muslims.

Islam is probably the only religion that grants rights to women, encourages the freeing of slaves and limits the number of wives a man is permitted to have. It also is probably the only religion that establishes a minimum age for marriage by requiring that both male and female must be physically, mentally and financially capable of fulfilling the requirements of marriage before they can enter into a Nikkah (Marriage contract).
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