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Old 06-28-2010, 05:54 PM
 
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Snippet:[indent] Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Allah has power over all things. (Qur'an, 24:45)

Do those who disbelieve not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not believe? (Qur'an, 21:30)

And it is He Who created human beings from water and then gave them relations by blood and marriage. Your Lord is All-Powerful. (Qur'an, 25:54)


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Old 06-28-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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Ignoring that the idea that all living things came from water is about a thousand years older than Islam (first proposed by Thales of Miletus in the 6th century BC), need we point out that the Qu'ran is a bit inconsistent regarding the origin of mankind?

Sometimes it says we came from water. Other times from a clot. Still other times from a drop of sperm, or mud, or clay.

Apparently Allah struggled to get his story straight.
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Old 06-28-2010, 06:48 PM
 
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[indent] Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Allah has power over all things. (Qur'an, 24:45)

Do those who disbelieve not see that the heavens and the earth were sewn together and then We unstitched them and that We made from water every living thing? So will they not believe? (Qur'an, 21:30)


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Ignoring that the idea that all living things came from water is about a thousand years older than Islam (first proposed by Thales of Miletus in the 6th century BC), need we point out that the Qu'ran is a bit inconsistent regarding the origin of mankind?

Sometimes it says we came from water. Other times from a clot. Still other times from a drop of sperm, or mud, or clay.

Apparently Allah struggled to get his story straight.
You are doing an excellent job of shedding light on the absurd claims of the new convert to Islam, Historian. Still . . . it is even more proximate and likely to be the source of this particular insight about water . . . that these were DESERT NOMADS.

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Old 06-28-2010, 07:30 PM
 
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Still . . . it is even more proximate and likely to be the source of this particular insight about water . . . that these were DESERT NOMADS.
Absolutely correct!
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:35 PM
 
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Ignoring that the idea that all living things came from water is about a thousand years older than Islam (first proposed by Thales of Miletus in the 6th century BC), need we point out that the Qu'ran is a bit inconsistent regarding the origin of mankind?

Sometimes it says we came from water. Other times from a clot. Still other times from a drop of sperm, or mud, or clay.

Apparently Allah struggled to get his story straight.
Muhammad did a lot of traveling and had encountered many jews, christians and people trained in persian/greek ideas of medicines who knew much about the greek teaching.
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:46 PM
 
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Ignoring that the idea that all living things came from water is about a thousand years older than Islam (first proposed by Thales of Miletus in the 6th century BC), need we point out that the Qu'ran is a bit inconsistent regarding the origin of mankind?

Sometimes it says we came from water. Other times from a clot. Still other times from a drop of sperm, or mud, or clay.

Apparently Allah struggled to get his story straight.
Thales' most famous belief was his cosmological thesis, which held that the world started from water. Aristotle considered this belief roughly equivalent to the later ideas of Anaximenes, who held that everything in the world was composed of air.

Muhammed stated stated everything was made up out of water. not that it started from water and maybe later became something else.

came from water/water being a primary principle is different from muhammad saying that everything is made up of water. not that it came from water and the whole clot/drop of sperm/mud/clay deal is a totally different story. Everything is made up of water and he created man from clay/mud. and the drop of semen is when a human procreates. dont get them confused, or twisted. theyre all different scenario's.

it is amazing thought that everyones saying that the greeks were wrong and then sometimes theyre right, only when muhammad is right, but when hes wrong the greeks were wrong... but fact is muhammads predictions were never wrong...
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:01 PM
 
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it is amazing thought that everyones saying that the greeks were wrong and then sometimes theyre right, only when muhammad is right, but when hes wrong the greeks were wrong... but fact is muhammads predictions were never wrong...
Do you ever get the feeling that adhering to every teaching of holy books such as the Quran, the Bible, The Torah, etc. actually prevent you from discovering the true nature of God?

The Renaissance was, in essence, a flinging off of the traditional holy book explanations of the nature of God and using the God given traits of curiosity, thought, and intelligence to rediscover Him. Do you think all of the great discoveries were made just for the sake of knowledge? Only God could be so inspirational to those old, pious scientists, in my opinion.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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Thales' most famous belief was his cosmological thesis, which held that the world started from water. Aristotle considered this belief roughly equivalent to the later ideas of Anaximenes, who held that everything in the world was composed of air.

Muhammed stated stated everything was made up out of water. not that it started from water and maybe later became something else.

came from water/water being a primary principle is different from muhammad saying that everything is made up of water. not that it came from water and the whole clot/drop of sperm/mud/clay deal is a totally different story. Everything is made up of water and he created man from clay/mud. and the drop of semen is when a human procreates. dont get them confused, or twisted. theyre all different scenario's.

it is amazing thought that everyones saying that the greeks were wrong and then sometimes theyre right, only when muhammad is right, but when hes wrong the greeks were wrong... but fact is muhammads predictions were never wrong...
These have all be addressed already. Why are you pretending otherwise?

Where is the carbon and nitrogen in water? How can humans be made from water without carbon and nitrogen?
Let me guess..
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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Muhammad did a lot of traveling and had encountered many jews, christians and people trained in persian/greek ideas of medicines who knew much about the greek teaching.
agreed, he did meet many people, and many people converted to islam and became muslims in his day. jews, christians, etc. however to believe that someone told him the things that are written in the quran is only an assumption. lets take sophia for example. sophia was one of the wives of the prophet, she was the daughter of a jewish emperor at the time. she could have spread a lie about the prophet at any point in time. she could have even killed him. he took over her dads empire, but yet she didnt. she could have said one thing to corrupt the entire religion of islam but she didnt. in fact she converted to islam. she realized he was a true prophet of Allah. thats a miracle in itself is it not?
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:53 PM
 
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Cool Perhaps his brain's a bit low on water????

Wonderful graphic, Gplex. Really embraces the nugget of the OP's point I'd say.

I asked this poster once before to explain which element(s) of Evolution he thought were simply not possible. I also asked, as I recall, for him to outline 4 or 5 key elements of the Scientific Method "toolkit". He conveniently ignored those simple requests.

But now he provides another stunning demonstration of his gross lack of even the most basic elements of biochemistry and biology. Not only of life's processes, but of any of our universe's known physics and chemistry.

Witness: "Humans are composed of 50-90% water. Therefore that's all we're made of and from!" So.... so.. what about the other 10-50%, sukrill? Etherial spirits from Allah? Cave drippings? Bat mucous? Holy dirt? Muhammad's glorious "seed of life"?

As well, unless Allah could also change lead or tin into gold, the atomic structures inherent in water do not allow for an easy alteration into other more complex and heavier atoms. He or H into, say, C12 or N or O? Or some simple amino acids or sugars or proteins? Well.... nope. Not how it works, absent magic.

But: do check out Craig Venter's recent work (the spring of 2010 as a matter of fact...) with the creation of living, replicating, surviving life from simple non-living components.. Google is your friend!

Q: have you ever looked through a microscope in a biology lab? Just curious.... doesn't seem likely though.

He prefers to just read ambiguous and unrelated phrases out of a staggeringly out-of-date spiritual guide-book, written by the scientifically illiterate (can someone please suggest a shorter, easier phrase than that one? I'm really getting tired of typing it, but it's SO appropriate with these guys...).
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