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Old 07-22-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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.......... don't Christians want everyone to convert to Christianity............
Yes they do......the difference is that when you tell them no, they accept it. They don't require membership in a particular sect. It was Christians who established the separation of Church and State in the USA.......and that is based on the belief that anyone has the right to worship or not worship as they believe. Muslims intend to require all to attend the same liturgy.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:01 PM
 
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Yes they do......the difference is that when you tell them no, they accept it. They don't require membership in a particular sect. It was Christians who established the separation of Church and State in the USA.......and that is based on the belief that anyone has the right to worship or not worship as they believe. Muslims intend to require all to attend the same liturgy.

Were they deists or Christians that seems to be up for debate.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:10 PM
 
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Hidden, at least or ignored, from most non-muslims.

I thought I would post some information about the hidden or true agenda of Islam in the world and particularly in America.

Has anyone ever wondered why Muslims leave there country of origin only to remain muslims in another country? You would think there was some country somewhere that subscribed to whatever form of Islam that suited them or at least was moderate in form. Why come to non-muslim nations and remain a muslim?

Why would muslims decieve or at least downplay thier history and teachings to non-muslims? If they believe in their religion - why hide certain facets and highlight others to a non-muslim society?

Simply, it is a tactic to get non-muslims to accept Islam as the truth. They believe that non-muslims are incapable, as infidels, of comprehending the truth of Islamic history and faith or because of their oppresive (in Islam's eyes) form of governments prevent them from converting. They believe that in implementing Sharia in a society whether aggressively or subversively is a pre-condition to a better chance of conversion - see Sayyid_Qutbs_Milestones. Their basic tenent for non-mulsims is that 'the ends justify the means.' Therefore, deciet and/or downplaying the truth about Islam and its history is key to infiltrating a non-muslim society - keeping the appearance of 'moderate' is paramount. Now that does not mean that there are not truly 'moderate' muslims but this is not about them - and frankly how can one tell when they stay silent or even when they speak since taqiyya and Kitman is in operation. After all the prophet said "War is deciet."

So here are some publications on the issue of deciet designed and implemented for the west.

Public Schools - 'Islam in American Classrooms History or Propaganda' - Education - Act! for America 92691

Truth about Jihad - 'To our Great Detriment' Ignoring What Extremist say about Jihad - International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > “To Our Great Detriment”

Also, in the above link are two other articles about extremism in so-called moderate muslim organnizations - CAIR and ISNA.

The World - Below is an article about a document found by Swiss authorities in 2001 outlining their stagegy for the implementation of Islam over the world. You may have heard of it or read it before - but it is good to be reminded.

The Article - FrontPage Magazine - The Muslim Brotherhood "Project" (http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4476 - broken link)

The Document - FrontPage Magazine - The Muslim Brotherhood "Project" (Continued) (http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4475 - broken link)

Anyway be prepared, wise, and discerning. Before you trust any muslim make sure you are not being a target of taqiyya or kitman. Futhermore, realize whether moderist exist or not we are under attack and it is time to wake up.

Enjoy, learn, and share.



As I say every time is just propaganda of anti-islam no more


taqiyya or kitman = There is nothing in Islam called taqiyya it is Belief only at the Shiites rejected in Islam Islam does not need to taqiyya



The truth is not just an opinion, It is accepted as it is, But differences of opinion are not altered it
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:11 PM
 
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As I say every time is just propaganda of anti-islam no more


taqiyya or kitman = There is nothing in Islam called taqiyya it is Belief only at the Shiites rejected in Islam Islam does not need to taqiyya



The truth is not just an opinion, It is accepted as it is, But differences of opinion are not altered it

Oh, please.

al-Taqiyya/Dissimulation (Part I)
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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As I say every time is just propaganda of anti-islam no more
As opposed to pro-Islam propaganda, I imagine.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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So, pleas defin to me "Tagiyya" ? Give me a summary so I know The extent of error you
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:29 PM
 
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As opposed to pro-Islam propaganda, I imagine.

who?
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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So, pleas defin to me "Tagiyya" ? Give me a summary so I know The extent of error you
What are you talking about? It does not say "taGiyya", it says "taQiyya".

Unbelievable.

And, in case you're pushing for a fight over semantics, I will not define it for you, just so you can walk all over it with your own version.

We know what it means. We know it exists. 'Nuff said.
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Old 07-22-2010, 04:50 PM
 
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I'm dying to know how a religion that is 15 centuries old and has 1.4 billion followers could keep anything a secret.
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Old 07-22-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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What are you talking about? It does not say "taGiyya", it says "taQiyya".

Unbelievable.

And, in case you're pushing for a fight over semantics, I will not define it for you, just so you can walk all over it with your own version.

We know what it means. We know it exists. 'Nuff said.

OK . I will tell you even you know that it is Completely opposed to Islam

taQiyya", Unfortunately believed by Shiites = is Meaning Hypocrisy For that, we reject Islam rejects it


we as muslim Should offer advice to the Shiite, This is a astray, Does not believe in only a few
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