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Old 07-30-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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I wrote about it in other themes ... I Can offer a film (not in English).

Well I guess a film ( not in English) will not work. Most of your other posts are gibberish.

So I will take from this that you have no titles, names?

Not even a title of the "not in English" film?

hmmmmmmm
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Imanway,

The problem is that there is no separation between Sharia and the religion of Islam and thus any Islamic state/government. We in the West who live with a separation of religion and government and we want it to stay that way.

It has been shown historically that when non-muslims live under Islamic rule they are treated as 2nd class citizens (dhimmis) and are subject to pay a tax for the protection of the ruling Islamic government. Islam has no respect for other types of governments, nor does Islam respect non-muslims.

All free people need to stand up and stand against any form of sharia and the moment I see Muslims where I live attempting to try to bring it to my country like they are doing in other places, I will fight it with everything I have so my children and their children will continue to live in a free country. Nothing but death and darkness comes from sharia and Islamic governments.


There is nothing good about sharia!

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Old 07-30-2010, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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Imanway, two questions -

You say sharia is not imposed on non-muslims. (Did you?)
Why then are non-muslims threatened with death when they challenge mohammed or his image?

If sharia is imposed on muslims in western society, and the punishment for a muslim apostate is death, (stonings and lashings for others) are we to stand by and let punishments (for hadads) we find abhorent and against our laws happen as it appears you have no alternatives? Explain how this works.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Appreciate the useful summary of sharia, imanway.

My brief comments:

1. This is how the religion of your culture and geographical area has evolved over time. It perhaps suits your people, or has grown to suit them, or has essentially been forced on them from birth. They know nothing else unless they travel.

2. One wonders which governmental system a people would choose if they could, if they first lived under several different administrations and then could pick. A basic atheistic socialist system? A theocracy? A secular democracy, but with total freedom of religion?

(NOTE: What we regularly see here in the US & Canada is that outsiders embrace the secular, democratic form of government. Notice how many people want to immigrate to N. America and north-western Europe versus the numbers clammering () to get in to, say, N. Korea, China, Iran or Namibia. Essentially, no-one WANTS to go and live under such iron, overly-disciplined rules).

3. I could provide a point-by-point summation of, for example, the U.S. laws of democracy. There is not a single area "wanting", where sharia would provide anything better, or in which it would cover something that is currently not covered.

The obvious and primary differences are that we N. Americans value individual liberty, religious freedom and personal property. I cannot imagine any advantage for Westerners to adopt sharia or any parts of it.

It's fine for Muslims to expound here on their religion and type of population administration. But to suggest it would offer anything of value to our current laws here?

That's not EVER going to "sell", and I'd hope every Muslim reader would accept and realize that. There'd be mobs in the streets!

But thanks again. (I think this thread's ready to be put to bed!)
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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YouTube - WHAT ISLAM IS NOT
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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It is objectivism not being needed. Thus Islam means the active but subjectively understood: actions are warranted, not scientifically... bla, bla. By Subjectivity, the golden calf is overcome... that was a theatre cproduction in Iran about a really existing infidel wife. I still don't know if that was an actor substituting, but then again the actor may be stoned. Keep that fact out for the media, and everyone might listen.


The medium said that the court case was mock style, and then the truth should set them free for their own Subjective WIlls.
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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One word.......TERRIFYING.......
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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That video is very tell tale of things to come......
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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The terrifying thing is the freedoms we so cherish may be our undoing in that they come and are given freedom and with the freedom they seek to take over and we will all lose our freedoms.

Very scary.......
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Old 07-30-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Now I'd like to move on to something beyond mere theft. Most westerners, myself included, were horrified and haunted by the stoning in Somalia last year of a 13-year-old girl who was convicted under Islamic law of adultery after she was gang-raped. As I'm sure you are aware, she was taken to a stadium holding about 1000 onlookers, buried up to her neck, and stoned alive. I cannot conceive of a way you or anyone else could persuade me that there is any justice or lawful reason, religious or otherwise, for such an inhumane punishment. In most people's eyes, this girl was a victim, not a law-breaker. However, I will give you the opportunity to explain this.

Similarly, women in Afghanistan are in prison on charges of adultery because they were raped. Yes, the rapists are in prison as well, which satisfies your explanation that the law is equal for both men and women, but there seems to be no distinction in these cases between someone who commits a crime and someone who is a victim. Again, please explain the logic behind this.
Was this addressed and I just missed it?
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