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Old 08-12-2010, 06:45 AM
 
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And what's your objection one by one?
Have you any book from God better than the Quran that we may follow?
Why do you feel it is NECESSARY to follow any BOOK at all??????????? God is found within...not in a BOOK!!!!!
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Old 08-12-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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Islam isn't doomed per se anymore than Christianity was in its most dogmatic form during the Dark Ages and Middle Ages. Islam is going through its own Dark Age right now and hopefully more moderate voices will prevail. What eanassir seems to forget is that The Bible, The Torah and The Qur'an are all part of the same message. Why stop there? Any philosophy or faith exhorting humans to be good and kind to one another and to try to continually improve themselves is a worthwhile faith. Just don't forget to question everything you see and hear. As we Sufis like to say "A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey"
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Islam isn't doomed per se anymore than Christianity was in its most dogmatic form during the Dark Ages and Middle Ages. Islam is going through its own Dark Age right now and hopefully more moderate voices will prevail. What eanassir seems to forget is that The Bible, The Torah and The Qur'an are all part of the same message. Why stop there? Any philosophy or faith exhorting humans to be good and kind to one another and to try to continually improve themselves is a worthwhile faith. Just don't forget to question everything you see and hear. As we Sufis like to say "A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey"

Well said!
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Old 08-12-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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...Besides which, having manners and morals in a book is wonderful. But if they don't translate into actual behavior, what's the use?
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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Why do you feel it is NECESSARY to follow any BOOK at all??????????? God is found within...not in a BOOK!!!!!

This is an obvious mistake.

We believe in God in the deep of our hearts and minds and conscience;

but God is certainly over His glorious throne above the ethereal heavens or the kingdom of heavens or as is it called in the Psalms of David: He mounted over the heaven of heavens.
The Universe and the Quran

And the Books: the Torah revealed to Moses, the Gospel revealed to Jesus and the Quran revealed to Mohammed; these are the Books of God that He revealed as guidance to humanity; so why shouldn't we follow the Books of God and not the books of atheists which are the revelation of Satan and his suggestions.
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Old 08-13-2010, 08:57 AM
 
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Islam isn't doomed per se anymore than Christianity was in its most dogmatic form during the Dark Ages and Middle Ages. Islam is going through its own Dark Age right now and hopefully more moderate voices will prevail. What eanassir seems to forget is that The Bible, The Torah and The Qur'an are all part of the same message. Why stop there? Any philosophy or faith exhorting humans to be good and kind to one another and to try to continually improve themselves is a worthwhile faith. Just don't forget to question everything you see and hear. As we Sufis like to say "A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey"

The parable that you said is not related to this meaning; it is derived from an aya in the Quran meaning that the Children of Israel in the past were given the Torah but they didn't work according to its instructions, so their likeness is like the donkey bearing a load of books [of the Torah] on his back, yet he does not benefit of these books; only the books are burden on him"

Do you as a Sufi believe in the Quran as the word of God revealed to Prophet Mohammed, and you believe in the Quran as a whole or only part of it that you like while you dislike other part and don't believe in it?

So now you say the Islam is in its dark age, where is your position in this dark age, when God said in the Quran 48: 28
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The explanation:
(It is He[: God] Who has sent His messenger[: Mohammed] with the guidance and the religion of truth; that He may make the[ religion of the Islam] prevail over all religion[ in the time of the Mehdi: the Paraclete.] )



The Disagreement of the

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Old 08-13-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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...Besides which, having manners and morals in a book is wonderful. But if they don't translate into actual behavior, what's the use?
The likeness of Jews who did not apply the Torah

It is like the Children of Israel in the past: they had the Torah enwrapped in silk in their temple but they did not work accordingly; so God said in the Quran 62: 5
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(The likeness of those [Jews] who were entrusted with the Law [of Moses], yet applied it not,

is as the likeness of the ass carrying Books [of the prophets of the Old Testament.]

Evil is the likeness of people who deny the past and the present] revelations of God.

And God guides not wrongdoing people.)

The Disagreement of the
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:51 PM
 
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The parable that you said is not related to this meaning; it is derived from an aya in the Quran meaning that the Children of Israel in the past were given the Torah but they didn't work according to its instructions, so their likeness is like the donkey bearing a load of books [of the Torah] on his back, yet he does not benefit of these books; only the books are burden on him"

Do you as a Sufi believe in the Quran as the word of God revealed to Prophet Mohammed, and you believe in the Quran as a whole or only part of it that you like while you dislike other part and don't believe in it?

So now you say the Islam is in its dark age, where is your position in this dark age, when God said in the Quran 48: 28
هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ
The explanation:
(It is He[: God] Who has sent His messenger[: Mohammed] with the guidance and the religion of truth; that He may make the[ religion of the Islam] prevail over all religion[ in the time of the Mehdi: the Paraclete.] )

The Sufi parable could apply to anyone who doesn't benefit from those books, not just Jews..Sufis believe in the whole Quran but probably have different interpretations from other people, we tend to see all religions as containing a bit of truth.
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Old 08-26-2010, 10:26 PM
 
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Default Quran Teaches Manners Of Life

There is only one and last book which directly reveal to holy prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) From Allah. The purpose of this book is teach manners of life to human in this world. If a person make sure and pass their life according to the teachings of Quran. He can easily and peacefully pass their this life and hare after life.
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Old 08-28-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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sorry jazzmom this was not directed at you. i quoted the wrong post.


This is not any pride; but only the Quran is superior to other books and the faith is superior to atheism and disbelife.
sorry jazz this was directed at eanassir post^^^ i quoted wrong post..

dude.!! you are a legend in you own mind, i think you need to come down from your high conceided donkey


my god is bigger that your god, my god is of pure thought and consciousness, not words in a old misinterpreted forged book of lies written by ancient camel jockeys
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