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Old 08-19-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Finally because it is the religion which has specifically established man's right to living in dignity, protecting civilians during war, safeguarding captives' rights, the right to a fair trial, the right to equality, the right to freedom of worship, the right to freedom, the right to individual property, the right to home privacy, the right to the freedom of expression, the right to learning, the right to the freedom of belief, and the right to founding and joining benevolent societies. Islam has been a pioneer in specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice .

Now I find one very entertaining:
established man's right to living in dignity: Yes, as long as it conforms to Islam

protecting civilians during war: Protect them first by blowing them up, I've never seen an infidel suicide bomber.

safeguarding captives' rights: Yes, beheading your captives, that is if they don't convert to Islam.

the right to a fair trial: Yes, provided you surived the beheading, then you get to be stoned.

the right to equality: Yes, only if you convert to Islam

the right to freedom of worship: Correct, as long as it is in a mosque and you worship Allah.

the right to freedom: Provided you first convert to Islam

the right to individual property: see above

the right to home privacy: see, the right to freedom

the right to the freedom of expression: As long as it doesn't conterdict the Quran

the right to learning: As long a you convert to Islam

the right to the freedom of belief: As long as it conforms to Islam

the right to founding and joining benevolent societies: As long as it is an Islamic foundation


specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice: Yes, we see these practices in action all the time in the Middle East.
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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Finally because it is the religion which has specifically established man's right to living in dignity, protecting civilians during war, safeguarding captives' rights, the right to a fair trial, the right to equality, the right to freedom of worship, the right to freedom, the right to individual property, the right to home privacy, the right to the freedom of expression, the right to learning, the right to the freedom of belief, and the right to founding and joining benevolent societies. Islam has been a pioneer in specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice .

Now I find one very entertaining:
established man's right to living in dignity: Yes, as long as it conforms to Islam

protecting civilians during war: Protect them first by blowing them up, I've never seen an infidel suicide bomber.

safeguarding captives' rights: Yes, beheading your captives, that is if they don't convert to Islam.

the right to a fair trial: Yes, provided you surived the beheading, then you get to be stoned.

the right to equality: Yes, only if you convert to Islam

the right to freedom of worship: Correct, as long as it is in a mosque and you worship Allah.

the right to freedom: Provided you first convert to Islam

the right to individual property: see above

the right to home privacy: see, the right to freedom

the right to the freedom of expression: As long as it doesn't conterdict the Quran

the right to learning: As long a you convert to Islam

the right to the freedom of belief: As long as it conforms to Islam

the right to founding and joining benevolent societies: As long as it is an Islamic foundation


specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice: Yes, we see these practices in action all the time in the Middle East.
You stated that better than I ever could. If I could rep you again I would.
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Old 08-20-2010, 02:55 PM
 
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YouTube - Appeasing Islam
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:09 PM
 
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Why Islam?
people must always have someone to feel superior to, even alcoholic pedophiles, thus God created islam.....so everyone else could feel good about themselves.......
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Old 08-21-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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Default hello

I fully agree
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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I fully agree
on what do you agree on??
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:21 AM
 
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Mr5150: Finally we agree on something. Pat Condell is a treasure. I'll bet you don't like his posts about Christianity, though. I do!
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:48 AM
 
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How interesting that mr SISO liked that (no, he wouldn't like the ones that have a crack at Christianity) because I enjoy Pat Condell and I enjoyed this, but I didn't agree with it - not all of it.

Sure, I do not approve of a lot of muslim behaviour. There are laws in place to protect people against being treated in ways they don't want to be treated and there should be ways in ensuring that they are protected. No right to interefere with families? If a Christian family was found doing pedophile incest, there would be a chorus of 'no interference', right? Thought not.

I am also not in favour of curtailing free speech under blasphemy pseudo - laws passed off as 'respect'. If anyone deserves sharp criticism, that is what they should expect and no hiding behind the 'blasphemy' placard.

On the other hand, my logic implant went off beep when Pat said we should not do what we think is right rather that what we feel (or know, perhaps he said)is right. This is putting kneejerk emotion ahead of reasoned thinking. We cannot allow evolved or inculated feelings of xenophobic distrust or political dislike for the 'enemy' (we made war on them, friends) to be favoured over a rational understanding that we have no right to crack down on anyone's faith, dress or culture, even if WE don't like it very much.
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:36 PM
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Why Islam?
It is a frequent question that why Islam has this large area of discussion and why some Muslims try to present Islam to the world as the true religion. Since I'm Muslim, I can give in these few lines the answer to this question "Why Islam?" .
First I'd like to give a slight explanation about life. God has created the human beings in this earth in which they can live and construct and He didn't leave them without guidance. Therefore, He successively sent prophets and messengers to people for this reason – guide them and instruct them to the right way. Hence, all prophets and messengers were sent to people for this reason. They are messengers of one God carrying one message to the people. They are like builders who successively build a big house till the last builder came to put the last stone on this house. They are also like sequent presidents who bear the responsibility of a country one after another, but there is no competition among the messengers for prophecy position. They are only chosen by God. People, therefore, have to believe in them all and obey the last messenger, as they have to believe in all the previous presidents of a country and obey the last one.
Coming back to the question "Why Islam?", There are many reasons which make Islam ahead:
•Because it is a universal religion and it was sent by God , Allah, to all mankind, not just to Arab world . And Islam's messenger, Muhammad, who was sent by Allah to all mankind too, is the last messenger, no one will be sent after him. He ordered his followers to believe in all messengers and all true scriptures without any distinction. Allah has said: "The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." Al-Qur'an, 002.285 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
•Because Islam is the only true religion which Allah has promised to preserve and which is still without any misinterpretation. The first source of Islam, Quran, which was being read by Muslims in the early period of Islam, is still the same Quran being read nowadays. In addition, there is a specific system of Islamic science which filters true traditions of prophet Muhammad, which is the second source of Islam, from the false ones which were inserted by Islam enemies or by ignorant people.
•Because Islam is a religion and a way of life which fits all people wherever and whenever they live. Since it is from Allah, the Creator of mankind and Who knows everything they need, Islam came to organize people's life in their homes, work places, markets and everywhere. It gives instructions on how to live with each other, with parents, with wife, with children, with elders, with youngers, with poor and weak people, with animals, with this universe, how to deal with enemies , with friends, in war , in peace .. etc. It is a constitution from Allah to people. Allah says in the Holly Quran : " Nothing have we omitted from the Book " Al-Qur'an, 006.038 (Al-Anaam [Cattle, Livestock])
•Because it is the unique religion which agrees with science and which invites people to think and look for facts. There are more than 247 verses from the Holly Quran which invite people to look, think and meditate that will lead to the science. For instance, Allah says in Quran : " And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil over the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider! " Al-Qur'an, 013.003 (Ar-Rad [The Thunder])
•Finally because it is the religion which has specifically established man's right to living in dignity, protecting civilians during war, safeguarding captives' rights, the right to a fair trial, the right to equality, the right to freedom of worship, the right to freedom, the right to individual property, the right to home privacy, the right to the freedom of expression, the right to learning, the right to the freedom of belief, and the right to founding and joining benevolent societies. Islam has been a pioneer in specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice .
No reason at all.
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Old 08-22-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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How interesting that mr SISO liked that (no, he wouldn't like the ones that have a crack at Christianity) because I enjoy Pat Condell and I enjoyed this, but I didn't agree with it - not all of it.

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You are right that I may not like the one's on Christianity however I did like his dry humor and wit while making some strong points. I do fear for Europe. Your culture is at risk. His video is a wake up call.

As to his or anyone's attack on Christianity, that's a big "so what" to me. I am not offended by that stuff. People have a right to their POV. However, I will debate and not seem like a nice guy at times (sorry ) -but that is the nature of debate on the interwebs.

I think the Islamic threat to European culture is what matters. What he says is true. it is already happening in the UK.
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