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Old 08-23-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Every religion says that. Just look at the thread that talks about ho christianity is the only religion that has fulfilled everything to a T. Both the Bible and the Quran are full of errors. Neither islam nor christianity is the true religion. There's no such thing as the true religion.
ok give me your full errors in the Quran ..give one error
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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The Qur'an was written by man, not Muhammad. As the revelations were coming to him they were not all written down. Many were memorized, some written down. After his death there was a need to codify one version of the Qur'an. Thus you have the Qur'an in use today. It was not written down while he was alive, but after his death. When those who had memorized the revelation started to die and it became a reality that what they knew would die with them it became necessary to bring together all the revelations into one source.

No book is without error.
both the Quran and the Bible written by men lol
but the Quran written in the same era by the same peaple ... whom knowing and saw and met Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) but the Gospels written after the rise of Jesus (PBUH) to his God ....the first gospel written at 65 and the the last written at 85 ... its very good time to edit and modify the original Gospel of Jesus (PBUH) ....
this the history of the Quran :
History of the Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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That is where the problem lies, you "INSIST to convert".

Just because you believe Islam is the truth, it still is your truth and it doesn't matter because others have their path and faith.

I am perfectly happy with my religion. I don't need yours. Others who have their beliefs are perfectly happy and they don't need yours.

It does not matter because it will always be what you see as the truth. Just because you believe it does not make it so.

What Muslims need to do is to accept that the world is pluralistic in its belief and work to co-exist, not work to convert.

The world would be a much better place.
Now.......we need to convince the christians of the same thing!
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Every religion says that. Just look at the thread that talks about ho christianity is the only religion that has fulfilled everything to a T. Both the Bible and the Quran are full of errors. Neither islam nor christianity is the true religion. There's no such thing as the true religion.
Well, "beliefs" need not be true or false, they are beliefs and require no proofs. If proof was necessary, there would be no religion.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:55 PM
 
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ok give me your full errors in the Quran ..give one error

The Sun

In our solar system, the Sun is the star which the Earth orbits. (Science)

According to Islam, the Sun is the star which orbits the Earth. (Qu'ran 13:2)


I can give you more if you want.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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Well, "beliefs" need not be true or false, they are beliefs and require no proofs. If proof was necessary, there would be no religion.
True. Beliefs are personal rather than objective. If there were proof for something it would no longer be considered a belief.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:01 PM
 
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Why Islam?
It is a frequent question that why Islam has this large area of discussion and why some Muslims try to present Islam to the world as the true religion. Since I'm Muslim, I can give in these few lines the answer to this question "Why Islam?" .
First I'd like to give a slight explanation about life. God has created the human beings in this earth in which they can live and construct and He didn't leave them without guidance. Therefore, He successively sent prophets and messengers to people for this reason – guide them and instruct them to the right way. Hence, all prophets and messengers were sent to people for this reason. They are messengers of one God carrying one message to the people. They are like builders who successively build a big house till the last builder came to put the last stone on this house. They are also like sequent presidents who bear the responsibility of a country one after another, but there is no competition among the messengers for prophecy position. They are only chosen by God. People, therefore, have to believe in them all and obey the last messenger, as they have to believe in all the previous presidents of a country and obey the last one.
Coming back to the question "Why Islam?", There are many reasons which make Islam ahead:
•Because it is a universal religion and it was sent by God , Allah, to all mankind, not just to Arab world . And Islam's messenger, Muhammad, who was sent by Allah to all mankind too, is the last messenger, no one will be sent after him. He ordered his followers to believe in all messengers and all true scriptures without any distinction. Allah has said: "The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." Al-Qur'an, 002.285 (Al-Baqara [The Cow])
•Because Islam is the only true religion which Allah has promised to preserve and which is still without any misinterpretation. The first source of Islam, Quran, which was being read by Muslims in the early period of Islam, is still the same Quran being read nowadays. In addition, there is a specific system of Islamic science which filters true traditions of prophet Muhammad, which is the second source of Islam, from the false ones which were inserted by Islam enemies or by ignorant people.
•Because Islam is a religion and a way of life which fits all people wherever and whenever they live. Since it is from Allah, the Creator of mankind and Who knows everything they need, Islam came to organize people's life in their homes, work places, markets and everywhere. It gives instructions on how to live with each other, with parents, with wife, with children, with elders, with youngers, with poor and weak people, with animals, with this universe, how to deal with enemies , with friends, in war , in peace .. etc. It is a constitution from Allah to people. Allah says in the Holly Quran : " Nothing have we omitted from the Book " Al-Qur'an, 006.038 (Al-Anaam [Cattle, Livestock])
•Because it is the unique religion which agrees with science and which invites people to think and look for facts. There are more than 247 verses from the Holly Quran which invite people to look, think and meditate that will lead to the science. For instance, Allah says in Quran : " And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil over the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider! " Al-Qur'an, 013.003 (Ar-Rad [The Thunder])
•Finally because it is the religion which has specifically established man's right to living in dignity, protecting civilians during war, safeguarding captives' rights, the right to a fair trial, the right to equality, the right to freedom of worship, the right to freedom, the right to individual property, the right to home privacy, the right to the freedom of expression, the right to learning, the right to the freedom of belief, and the right to founding and joining benevolent societies. Islam has been a pioneer in specifying human rights, safeguarding them, and eventually putting them to practice .
In other words... Islam is pretty much just like every other religion with a superiority complex that has ever existed.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:55 PM
 
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ok give me your full errors in the Quran ..give one error
Islam like Christianity and other religions are primitive belief systems created by man to control man.

They are not based on science. You should question your religion.
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:00 PM
 
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The Sun

In our solar system, the Sun is the star which the Earth orbits. (Science)

According to Islam, the Sun is the star which orbits the Earth. (Qu'ran 13:2)


I can give you more if you want.
you mean this verse of Quran 13-Al-Rad 2 ?

"Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord. (2) "


which verse mention to sun orbits the earth , please write the verse that you read ... and give me all the errors you have but one by one ...
to give me a space of time to give you an answer
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Old 08-23-2010, 09:25 PM
 
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you mean this verse of Quran 13-Al-Rad 2 ?

"Allah it is Who raised up the heavens without visible supports, then mounted the Throne, and compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term; He ordereth the course; He detaileth the revelations, that haply ye may be certain of the meeting with your Lord. (2) "


which verse mention to sun orbits the earth , please write the verse that you read ... and give me all the errors you have but one by one ...
to give me a space of time to give you an answer
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles...radictions.htm

And here's another error. Have you heard of something known as evolution? Islam hasn't. The Qur'an gives a creation account similar to that of christianity. Have you not heard the good news? Evolution is the cornerstone of biology and is a proven fact of life. Have you heard something else? The Quran account of creation, just like that of the bible, is baseless, unsubstantiated and not even remotely proven.
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