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Old 09-28-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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This is what the muslim nations are pushing to get through the UN right now. An international law that would make it illegal in any country in the world to insult, disparage, or offend muslims and the muslim faith and no others are included. In other words they want the world to conform to their sharia laws and not those arrived at by each particular country in the name of democracy, freedom, and free speech. It's called 'creeping sharia' and is to be pushed by intimidation (as we have seen), political pressure, or capitulation.
A constitution-like document needs to be written for the U.N similar to the US constitution, and any country that is part of the UN, must abide by such laws, or forfeit their place in the united nations.

Somehow we need enough people to put pressure on the UN to do such a thing.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Ahhh to put it rather colloquially "there ain't none"!
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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Iran disallows freedom of speech.
Iran is Muslim.
Therefore, Islam disallows freedom of speech.

North Korea disallows freedom of speech.
It's proven above that Islam disallows freedom of speech.
Therefore, North Korea is Muslim.

That is as illogical as your arguments in this thread.

The suppression of speech is a political power move against the ruling regime's opposition, who happen to be Muslim, themselves.
Logic has nothing to do with this issue of Islam . . . ignorance does. It is a DEEN . . . look up this arabic word and lose your ignorance. Islam is completely political . . . it covers ALL aspects of life . . . and desires to cover ALL peoples and nations. The ignorance of this barbaric deen abounds and frustrates me. Tolerance for the intolerant is not tolerance . . . it is suicide. http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplay....swf?aid=17933
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:16 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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You beat me to it mystic.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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The entire planet does not have the Constitution of the United States. Only the U.S. does. Only in the U.S. live under it even thuogh many of us know its not a 100% guarantee.

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Liberty to express opinions and ideas without hindrance, and especially without fear of punishment. Despite the constitutional guarantee of free speech in the United States, legal systems have not treated freedom of speech as absolute. Among the more obvious restrictions on the freedom to say just what one likes where one likes are laws regulating incitement, sedition, defamation, slander and libel, blasphemy, the expression of racial hatred, and conspiracy. The liberal tradition has generally defended freedom of the sort of speech which does not violate others' rights or lead to predictable and avoidable harm, but it has been fierce in that defence because a free interchange of ideas is seen as an essential ingredient of democracy and resistance to tyranny, and as an important agent of improvement. The distinction between an action falling under the description of speech and one which does not is not clear cut, because many non-verbal actions can be seen as making a statement—for example, burning a flag or destroying a symbol. Again, valued freedom of speech embraces publication—writing, broadcasting, distributing recordings—as well as oral delivery of ideas.
[RIGHT]— Andrew Reeve [/RIGHT]
The OP needs to read and understand Section One of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Maybe we should look at this as a case of sedition under Iranian law. Maybe we need to look at Iran as a 31 year old country and treat it as such

Maybe we should read the The Terrorism Act 2000 from the UK and see what freedoms they wrote off and are currently dolling out prison sentences for having reading materials. Then see how the Iranian ruling would've been treated.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Happy wherever I am - Florida now
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Blasphemy law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
AP Exclusive: Muslim countries seek blasphemy ban | World news | guardian.co.uk
UN anti-blasphemy measures have sinister goals, observers say

Here are a few links that show that sharia law bans insulting islam etal and their proposal to push for a UN worldwide law based upon it.
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Old 09-28-2010, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The entire planet does not have the Constitution of the United States. Only the U.S. does. Only in the U.S. live under it even thuogh many of us know its not a 100% guarantee.



The OP needs to read and understand Section One of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Maybe we should look at this as a case of sedition under Iranian law. Maybe we need to look at Iran as a 31 year old country and treat it as such

Maybe we should read the The Terrorism Act 2000 from the UK and see what freedoms they wrote off and are currently dolling out prison sentences for having reading materials. Then see how the Iranian ruling would've been treated.
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Fundamental Freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom
of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

What is your point?
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Old 09-28-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Eretz Yisrael
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Iranian-Canadian Hossein Derakhshan, 35, was a controversial figure among Iran's blogging community. Writing his blog from Canada, he was initially a critic of Iran's clerical leadership, and in 2006 he visited Israel
He thought he was above Iranian Law. Did he really think by gaining Canadian citizenship he would be protected when he, stupidly, returned to Iran again in 2008 (and was arrested then). He was shown the exit door in 2005, but he didn't learn anything from that visit.

Irans hand cannot be forced. Its been a little more than a generation since the revolution and many think they moved to much to the other direction. So it will take time until it moves a little more towards center.

As to my point. He (OP) should be thankful for what he has. As those freedoms cant be carried in his luggage when he leaves on a trip.
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:01 AM
 
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Koran gives complete freedom unparralled in human literature. Literally.


16:82 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6:107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

4:79-80 Say:'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

11:28 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?

17:53-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

21:107-109 (O Prophet?) 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour is near or far."

22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord. You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, `God best knows what you do."

24.54. Say: "Obey God, and obey the Messenger. but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).

88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

48:28 He it is Who has sent forth His Messenger with the Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to the end that tie make it prevail over every religion, and none can bear witness to the Truth as God does.

36:16 17 (Three Messengers to their people) Said, "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'

39:41 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

42:6 48 And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch. Mark, you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach ....

64:12 Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message.

67:25 26 And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain warner."

10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.

109.1-6 Say : O ye that reject Faith,! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship, To you be your Way, and to me mine.

74.11-17 Leave Me with whom I created alone!, To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side, To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable, Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory!, Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities!

"So have We appointed for every Prophet an enemy - devils of men and Jinns; who inspire each other with seductive, deceptive speech which leads astray; but had thy Lord willed they would not have done so. So leave them with what they do devise. And let the hearts of those who believe not in the Hereafter listen to it; and let them be well pleased with it; and let them gain what they can gain!" 6:113-114

"And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 6:68

2:256 There is no compulsion in religion, for the right way is clearly from the wrong way. Whoever therefore rejects the forces of evil and believes in God, he has taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way, for God is All Hearing and Knowing

Real Islam is only Koran. Koran is peace!

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Old 09-29-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Logic has nothing to do with this issue of Islam . . . ignorance does. It is a DEEN . . . look up this arabic word and lose your ignorance. Islam is completely political . . . it covers ALL aspects of life . . . and desires to cover ALL peoples and nations. The ignorance of this barbaric deen abounds and frustrates me. Tolerance for the intolerant is not tolerance . . . it is suicide. http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplay....swf?aid=17933
Moderator cut: inappropriate language Any average Muslim could give a flip whether you were Muslim or not.

Machine politics is the same the world over. The boss keeps his power any way he can, and those who ride his coat tails are just as eager to keep the ride going.

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