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Old 09-30-2010, 05:04 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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Your response just prove the video right. You hate gays, think they should be killed if they have sex, you claim the right to beat women, and you support the torture (whip, stone to death, cut off limbs) of those who do not wish to follow your religious views.

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Don't you even think of hiding behind "oh but there are conditions". NO. There are no conditions for killing two people who love each other just because they happen to be the same sex. There are no conditions that let you beat a women until she complies with your demands. There are no conditions when the tortures of others, must be applied, because they do not wish to follow your barbaric religion.
NONE OF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. NONE!!!!

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Old 09-30-2010, 05:35 AM
 
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haha, what about the other posts after that post?.... i guess that's your job just to quote what support what you liked and ignore what i explained in the closed topic

doing the gayness act is different than loving anyway

anyway you can waste your breath saying what ever you like ( as you see that the only one who's right is those who let you do whatever you like even if it leads to hate and crimes, and anything that don't go with your so called rights is evil and barbaric and not right)
so don't waste your time discussing religions and religious people if you from the start don't care about what the say, what they explain, and you don't use logic in discussing, you just want to mention they are wrong when you get a chance to do so

going by your logic, it's obvious that you are asking for a religion that you don't have to do anything in, and even if you raped a girl you'll just don't want to be punished ( you want a religion that goes by your ideas, and even if you can change USA law you'll change many laws just to suit your self enjoyment... so selfish)

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having unmarried sex, having to beat your wife the way you like, drinking wine, drugs, rape, steal, sexual harshment, watching porn and going to night clubs, strip yourself in the street and no one will care and they might watch if they liked your body, get killed in streets and no one will stop to help you, let your kids have sex at age of 13 and you don't care, forget your parents or not care of them at all, have all people look at you strangely if you grow a beard, got beat up by some strange folks on street because your are a muslim, get arrested for suspecting that your are a terriost just because you are a muslim, let the people suffer in streets without helping them.
(thx god i don't live in society like yours, and thx god i don't want those rights in my society) NONE OF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE. NONE!!!!
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Old 09-30-2010, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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It's very weak, not to mention unfactual. The homophobia stands out in particular.
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Old 09-30-2010, 02:40 PM
 
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if you find my arguement weak or (red herrings/strawman arguement) like you say <--- and whatever it means

isn't it because i clearly say for years my english is weak, and don't try to lure me into topics that need lot of talk

anyway nvm
try to put yourself in my place (want people to know your point of view, yet you don't speak their language very well) <----- i clearly will have a disadvantage
peace out
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Old 09-30-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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if you find my arguement weak or (red herrings/strawman arguement) like you say <--- and whatever it means

isn't it because i clearly say for years my english is weak, and don't try to lure me into topics that need lot of talk

anyway nvm
try to put yourself in my place (want people to know your point of view, yet you don't speak their language very well) <----- i clearly will have a disadvantage
peace out
When I say you're barbaric because you support wife beaters (which is true), then you respond with -
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(1)having unmarried sex, (2)having to beat your wife the way you like, (3)drinking wine, drugs, (4)rape, (5)steal, (6)sexual harshment, (7)watching porn and (8) going to night clubs, (9)strip yourself in the street and no one will care and they might watch if they liked your body, (10)get killed in streets and no one will stop to help you, (11)let your kids have sex at age of 13 and you don't care, (12)forget your parents or not care of them at all, (13)have all people look at you strangely if you grow a beard, (14)got beat up by some strange folks on street because your are a muslim, (15)get arrested for suspecting that your are a terriost just because you are a muslim, (16)let the people suffer in streets without helping them.
That is a mix of red herring and straw man argument.

1. Yes I love having unmarried sex, so why would I want to give you the power to torture me because of that?
2. Unlike you, I do not support wife beating.
3. I don't drink or take drugs, but you don't get to take that option away from me. I think the drug laws need to be abolished. I should be allow to do what I want with my body.
4. I've never raped anyone, I've never thought of raping someone.
5. I have never stolen anything in my adult life, unlike the quran, demanding to steal peoples life over, and over, and over.
6. Wow, you conciser women as cattle, yet you don't want to say, "hey you look good".
7. Yep, watching porn, that's me.. Again I will not give you the power to torture me because of that.
8. I don't go to night clubs.
9. Hey, I only done that once! lol
10. I've had heat stroke and collapse, and people helped me...
11. Ah, no.
12. No again.
13. I seriously doubt that someone who supports wife beating and torture will look normal.
14. I've never been beaten up, I've always been the one doing the beating, and I'm not a muslim.
15. Yes, they just randomly grab a muslims and arrested him.. I'm sure they have that kind of time to waste.. I wonder why you're not in jail then
16. I've helped 2 stroke victims, several children, elderly and a hand full of people get out of a violent situation and they were complete strangers..


BUT NONE OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.

ISLAM DOES NOT SUPPORT FREE SPEECH, EQUAL RIGHTS, AND DIGNITY FOR ALL.

ISLAM SUPPORTS UNEQUAL RIGHTS, WIFE BEATING, TORTURE, AND THE MURDER OF MANY PEOPLE.



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Old 09-30-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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if you find my arguement weak or (red herrings/strawman arguement) like you say <--- and whatever it means

isn't it because i clearly say for years my english is weak, and don't try to lure me into topics that need lot of talk
Ah, so now you're going to use the language issue in your defense. I understand that your English is far from fluent, but you get you ideas across well enough for me to understand them. The homophobia was clear enough. As for 'luring' you, I am certainly not trying to do that.
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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Default No such thing

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in Islam, period!
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Old 10-01-2010, 01:43 AM
 
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When I say you're barbaric because you support wife beaters (which is true), then you respond with -
i explained it in the video topic, yet you keep repeating it man............

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Ah, so now you're going to use the language issue in your defense. I understand that your English is far from fluent, but you get you ideas across well enough for me to understand them. The homophobia was clear enough. As for 'luring' you, I am certainly not trying to do that.
i understand some, but i can't deliver what i want to say clearly like if it was in arabic ( i didn't mean you, i meant Gplex in the old topic )
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Old 10-01-2010, 03:41 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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i explained it in the video topic, yet you keep repeating it man...........
I repeat because your answer isn't satisfactory. Where in islam does it say you can only beat your wife with a toothbrush.. do you know how much damage I could do to someone with a toothbrush?
Wife beating is permitted in islam, you and support it.
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Old 10-01-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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I repeat because your answer isn't satisfactory. Where in islam does it say you can only beat your wife with a toothbrush.. do you know how much damage I could do to someone with a toothbrush?
i didn't say toothbrush....and it's not allowed to hurt your wife or make the beating painfall

re-read my post
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