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Old 11-07-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: egypt
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Time to renounce elwill...

Is it OK to drink alcohol?


why ?
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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why ?
In one place the quran says alcohol is good , and in another says it's bad. This is a contradiction, therefore a mistake....Keep your promise and renounce Islam.

Here is another mistake... How should Jews and Christians be treated?
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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i will
show me what you have
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In one place the quran says alcohol is good , and in another says it's bad. This is a contradiction, therefore a mistake....Keep your promise and renounce Islam.

Here is another mistake... How should Jews and Christians be treated?
We need a third party arbiter.
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Old 11-07-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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In one place the quran says alcohol is good , and in another says it's bad. This is a contradiction, therefore a mistake....Keep your promise and renounce Islam.

Here is another mistake... How should Jews and Christians be treated?

the word good is refering to the fruit and not to the alcohol.




And of the fruits of the date-palm, and grapes, whence ye derive strong drink and (also) good nourishment. Lo! therein is indeed a portent for people who have sense. Quran 16.67



They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness. And they ask thee what they ought to spend. Say: that which is superfluous. Thus Allah maketh plain to you (His) revelations, that haply ye may reflect Quran 2.219
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:43 AM
 
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As Quran is NON-man-made, it is impossible to find a single simple mistake.

Many people have tried
and finally failed
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:20 AM
 
Location: egypt
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We need a third party arbiter.
but what if we didn't find one !

take it easy , we can assume honesty for each other , and we can make it work out without third party

make your reseachs and your exploration about quran , try to find for me one error which you yourself convinced with it , then let us discuss it .

you will tell me , why you see it as an error and what is the supposed correct information and i will tell you why it isn't . or simply renounce islam

if my responds is logical and objective then we turn to another one

take your chance and search for me about errors , if you thought you have an ability to do that , you are wellcome
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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but what if we didn't find one !

take it easy , we can assume honesty for each other , and we can make it work out without third party

make your reseachs and your exploration about quran , try to find for me one error which you yourself convinced with it , then let us discuss it .

you will tell me , why you see it as an error and what is the supposed correct information and i will tell you why it isn't . or simply renounce islam

if my responds is logical and objective then we turn to another one

take your chance and search for me about errors , if you thought you have an ability to do that , you are wellcome
People have already done the work for me.
Science in the Quran
Contradictions
45 Scientific/historical Mistakes by Skeptics Annotated Quran Refuted Yahya Snow's Blog

This is why we generally need a third-party arbiter--as when the mindset (as shown in link 3) is that "the Quran can't be wrong," you will find *any* way to make them fit. Christians have the same problem, as do inerrant Jews.

Last edited by Konraden; 11-08-2010 at 09:58 AM..
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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This is based on the assumption that the universe will slow down its expansion and start to contract, this theory was put to the test when it was found out that our universe is in fact expanding at an accelerated rate ( no contraction). Most believe that it will now just keep expanding into nothingness, where the very atoms of matter will be ripped apart.
So where doe that fit into the Quran?
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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Please know that references to moderator actions is prohibitted by the Terms of Service. Any more moderator-related posts/references will result in infractions, and the thread being closed.

It is better to DM a mod, personally, than to post moderation commentaries in open forum.


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Old 11-08-2010, 12:35 PM
 
Location: egypt
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People have already done the work for me.
Science in the Quran
Contradictions
45 Scientific/historical Mistakes by Skeptics Annotated Quran Refuted Yahya Snow's Blog

This is why we generally need a third-party arbiter--as when the mindset (as shown in link 3) is that "the Quran can't be wrong," you will find *any* way to make them fit. Christians have the same problem, as do inerrant Jews.
Konraden . when i asked you to find for me errors in quran to discuss it , i told you to bring one of them which you yourself convinced that it's error

you can quote from these links whatever you want , but you need to be convinced with it because you will be the one who is responsible of what you write


Konraden / i agree with you that if we have third party to manage the challenge will be the best for all of us

i just say that in the case we havn't third party , will we make it off topic ?
i have no problem , it wasn't me who raise this challange about errors of quran in the first place

anyway , i'm ready any time , tell me when you feel yourself ready for it
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