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Old 12-14-2010, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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I certainly don't attempt to "discuss" anything with them. We have all seen how pointless that is. I am simply as dismissive as possible, within the limits.
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Old 12-15-2010, 12:41 AM
 
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A miracle is a divine act which defies and......
The Miracles of the Quran


for those who do not know the meaning of the miracle.
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Philippines
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They can't handle the "truth."

It can be fun believing in Jinn, fairies, monsters under the bed and all, but to make any of this the basis of "proof" that a particular religion or belief is the "one and only" is absurd.

One should be able to worship whatever God they envision by "seeing" that God acting in their lives without any kind of external support such as mythological figures meeting our personal heroes.

This is the result we get when the Islamic community, which used to be "tops" when it came to science and education, succumbs to a Quran-only kind of education.
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: OKC
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A miracle is a divine act which defies and......
The Miracles of the Quran


for those who do not know the meaning of the miracle.
How do you distinguish between a miracle and a fable?
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Old 12-15-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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This is the result we get when the Islamic community, which used to be "tops" when it came to science and education, succumbs to a Quran-only kind of education.
All too true.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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How do you distinguish between a miracle and a fable?

A miracle is a divine act which defies and transcends universal norms and laws, which Allah grants to his messengers and apostles in order to convince people of the truth of their message. With this heavenly support mundane laws and natural phenomena are caused to yield in such an overwhelming way that all attempts at rational explanation are defeated.
The Miracles of the Quran



61 And when the two hosts saw each other, those with Moses said: Lo! we are indeed caught.
62 He said: Nay, verily! for lo! my Lord is with me. He will guide me.
63 Then We inspired Moses, saying: Smite the sea with thy staff. And it parted, and each part was as a mountain vast.
64 Then brought We near the others to that place.
65 And We saved Moses and those with him, every one;
66 And We drowned the others.
67 Lo! herein is indeed a portent, yet most of them are not believers.
68 And lo, thy Lord! He is indeed the Mighty, the Merciful. Quran 26

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Old 12-15-2010, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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A miracle is a divine act which defies and transcends universal norms and laws, which Allah grants to his messengers and apostles in order to convince people of the truth of their message. With this heavenly support mundane laws and natural phenomena are caused to yield in such an overwhelming way that all attempts at rational explanation are defeated.
The Miracles of the Quran



61 And when the two hosts saw each other, those with Moses said: Lo! we are indeed caught.
62 He said: Nay, verily! for lo! my Lord is with me. He will guide me.
63 Then We inspired Moses, saying: Smite the sea with thy staff. And it parted, and each part was as a mountain vast.
64 Then brought We near the others to that place.
65 And We saved Moses and those with him, every one;
66 And We drowned the others.
67 Lo! herein is indeed a portent, yet most of them are not believers.
68 And lo, thy Lord! He is indeed the Mighty, the Merciful. Quran 26
Ok you have explained a fable, now explain a miracle..I suggest that they are one and the same.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:03 PM
 
Location: OKC
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A miracle is a divine act which defies and transcends universal norms and laws, which Allah grants to his messengers and apostles in order to convince people of the truth of their message. With this heavenly support mundane laws and natural phenomena are caused to yield in such an overwhelming way that all attempts at rational explanation are defeated.
The Miracles of the Quran


What I meant was, why do you believe those stories are true?

Just because some Baudouin goat herders wrote those stories down 1500 years ago, that doesn't mean it ever actually happened.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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The Baudouin did not write the Bible .

there are similar miracles and stories in the Bible and in the Quran.

but the Bible also contains things not from God

and every thing in the Quran is from God.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:52 PM
 
Location: OKC
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The Baudouin did not write the Bible .

there are similar miracles and stories in the Bible and in the Quran.

but the Bible also contains things not from God

and every thing in the Quran is from God.
Your proof?
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