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Old 12-17-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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Those aren't proofs, but descriptions of what Muslims believe, which we have all been exposed to ad infinitum.


there are people in the era of prophet who saw him , talked to him and saw his miracles
but despite that they did not believe

we did not see the prophet
we are not going to get another prophet because he is the final

but some of our generation will see prophet Jesus

but the miracle of prophet Muhammad still a live with us and that is the Quran

how can the Quran be a miracle ?

there are many miracles in the Quran

i can give examples for the scientific facts that were discovered many many years after the Quran

for example

the Quran mentioned or hinted to the following facts

1- the earth is like a ball
2- the earth rotates and orbit
3- the sun is bigger than the moon
4- the moon is dark
5- the big bang theory
6- the ray of the sun is invisible
7- the development of the fetus
8- the stars fall down
9- the stars make sounds
10 the sun orbit
11- the black hole
12- some one can be a stone or can be an iron
13-…..and more
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:13 AM
 
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the Quran mentioned or hinted to the following facts

1- the earth is like a ball
2- the earth rotates and orbit
3- the sun is bigger than the moon
4- the moon is dark
5- the big bang theory
6- the ray of the sun is invisible
7- the development of the fetus
8- the stars fall down
9- the stars make sounds
10 the sun orbit
11- the black hole
12- some one can be a stone or can be an iron
13-..and more
There is nothing miraculousness about the Koran.

You are see what you want to see, rather than what is really there.
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Old 12-18-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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There is nothing miraculousness about the Koran.

You are see what you want to see, rather than what is really there.


i see facts



He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day (in a ball like): and makes the day overtake the night (in a ball like): , and He has made the sun and the moon subservient; each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver. The Noble Quran 39:5


http://www.bhs1965.com/SunsetFromSpace2Web.jpg (broken link)
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Old 12-18-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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i see facts



He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day (in a ball like): and makes the day overtake the night (in a ball like): , and He has made the sun and the moon subservient; each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver. The Noble Quran 39:5

First, night doesn't cover day.
Second, neither the sun nor the moon are subservient.
Third, in this context, the sun doesn't run at all - let alone on an assigned term. The sun is stationary in this context.

Further, Pythagoras and Aristotle had determined the earth was round in 6th century BC, about 1000 years before Mohammad was born. Was that a Miracle? Does that prove that Zeus is real?

So your quote doesn't prove any miraculous knowledge within the Koran.
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Old 12-18-2010, 06:08 PM
 
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I don't agree.It does prove.This is another miracle


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQUaB...eature=related

The universe is expanding in the Quran
"And it is we who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily,it is we who are steadily expanding it"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsPqeS5I_QM


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Old 12-18-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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I don't agree.It does prove.This is another miracle
How can you disagree? You were proven wrong. The Greeks (and others)already knew the earth was round when your passage was written, and your Koran verse implied that it was the sun that moved around the earth - which was not true.

So not only was that not an example of a miracle, it had other information that was inaccurate.

I haven't watched your other videos until we get passed this point.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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The point is: scriptures do not tell anything. People do.

You cannot prove anything with a writing or two. All you have is subjective conjecture.

Allah did not say anything in the Quran any more than Baal, Lord, Yahweh, Jehovah, or any other name you want to call a particular God say anything in the Bible.

People wrote down their own thoughts, their own philosophies. And we have had all this time in-between for myriad people to make up their own opinions and new philosophies on the old.
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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First, night doesn't cover day.
Second, neither the sun nor the moon are subservient.
Third, in this context, the sun doesn't run at all - let alone on an assigned term. The sun is stationary in this context.

Further, Pythagoras and Aristotle had determined the earth was round in 6th century BC, about 1000 years before Mohammad was born. Was that a Miracle? Does that prove that Zeus is real?

So your quote doesn't prove any miraculous knowledge within the Koran.
In any language,u have to know the difintion of the word because one word will have many different meanings.I will bring the translation in Arabic because u can't define the word the way u want.



He has created the heavens and the earth with the truth; He makes the night cover the day (in a ball like): and makes the day overtake the night (in a ball like): , and He has made the sun and the moon subservient; each one runs on to an assigned term; now surely He is the Mighty, the great Forgiver. The Noble Quran 39:5

In arabic : "يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَيُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ "

the night = اللَّيْلِ
the day = النَّهَارِ
cover - overtake = يُكَوِّرُ

the word " يكور " in the dictionary is to " make it shape as a sphere "like a ball

derived from " كرة " which is " globe or sphere "

You can look it up or ask a friend who speaks Arabic

so the meaning is that God " makes the day and the night cover and overtake each other , each one is taking the place of the other one , while shaping a sphere "

a sphere which is surrounding the earth , which is of course a sphere too ,

That is what the Muslim scientists proved before.



Prophet Muhammed wasn't a scientific person or someone who studied the Universe.How could he know this except if it is from Allah.Consider what I posted before.The thruth is there,u might deny it but it is still obvious.
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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,... and your Koran verse implied that it was the sun that moved around the earth - which was not true.

.

The Quran never implied that it was the sun that moved around the earth .
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Old 12-19-2010, 01:43 AM
 
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How did he know it? The whole world knew that the Earth was a ball!

Don't confuse the ignorance of the Middle Ages and the RCC trying to control all things secular as well as spiritual.

The Chinese knew it, long before your Allah was given credit for dictating a book.

Before them, the Sumerians knew it. In fact, they were able to uncannily describe the other planets long before "modern" man had a telescope.

So, come on. Please don't insult our intelligence by trying to prove that Allah disclosed some secret information that the rest of the world was ignorant of through your Quran. And then make this giant leap that because your Quran is so "brilliant" that your Allah is "brilliant", too.
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