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Old 12-21-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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In the name of Allah most Gracious ,most Merciful:"Not a new reminder comes to them from the Compassionate,except they turn away from it.But they have rejected the Message;soon they will know the truth"

This is what is wrong with religions like yours.... The world is not a better place because of Islam...
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:16 PM
 
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This is what is wrong with religions like yours.... The world is not a better place because of Islam...
This is inadequate. The world today is in fact a worse place because of Islam!
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:50 PM
 
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And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,

And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.

She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.

He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?

He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree.

She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!

Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,

And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.

So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.

Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.

Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?

He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,

And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.

Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!

Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

The Noble Quran 19:16-35 .
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:07 PM
 
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And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,

And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.

She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.

He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?

He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.


And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree.

She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!

Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,

And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.

So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.

Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.

Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?

He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,

And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.

Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!

Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

The Noble Quran 19:16-35 .

Yada yada yada.........
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Old 12-22-2010, 05:22 AM
 
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Yada yada yada.........
I wish u had written something useful.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:10 AM
 
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I wish u had written something useful.

There is no response to cut and pasted ayats. There is no response to those who only see their way as the right way.

Religions who see their way as the only way are places of darkness.......
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I wish u had written something useful.
Yes, and we all wish you had too.
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Old 12-22-2010, 06:37 AM
 
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I wish u had written something useful.
It is really all that cut and paste preaching deserves.
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Old 12-22-2010, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,

And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.

She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing.

He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

She said: How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither have I been unchaste?

He said: So (it will be). Thy Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it will be) that We may make of him a revelation for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing ordained.

And she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place.

And the pangs of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of the palm-tree.

She said: Oh, would that I had died ere this and had become a thing of naught, forgotten!

Then (one) cried unto her from below her, saying: Grieve not! Thy Lord hath placed a rivulet beneath thee,

And shake the trunk of the palm-tree toward thee, thou wilt cause ripe dates to fall upon thee.

So eat and drink and be consoled. And if thou meetest any mortal, say: Lo! I have vowed a fast unto the Beneficent, and may not speak this day to any mortal.

Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing.
O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot.

Then she pointed to him. They said: How can we talk to one who is in the cradle, a young boy?

He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet,

And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive,
And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest.

Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!

Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt.

It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.

The Noble Quran 19:16-35 .


Do you not have an original thought of your own? This is why in my culture and belief we have no written words for our belief, it stifles the thinking of man. You are brainwashed to think a certain way and not except the other possibilities, so you have become a slave to your sacred book and your belief and by doing so you have become ignorant of the world around you.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Do you not have an original thought of your own? This is why in my culture and belief we have no written words for our belief, it stifles the thinking of man. You are brainwashed to think a certain way and not except the other possibilities, so you have become a slave to your sacred book and your belief and by doing so you have become ignorant of the world around you.
That's what I was talking about earlier.

It's not just that he disagrees. He doesn't have the ability to imagine himself in the position of someone who isn't Muslim.

So he mistakenly believes verses in the Koran will be persuasive to people who have just told him they are not Muslims.

Honestly though, I don't think this is strictly a Muslim thing so much as a culturally Arabic thing.
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