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Old 12-26-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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No, he really didn't. Take the one about the kid studying all sorts of things versus the kid studying the koran...that second child is learning fairy tales and being told they're true, versus the kid who studies all sorts of things and learns to use critical thinking skills, deductive reasoning, and the scientific method to learn what is real and what are delusions. Sad, very sad to stunt a child's brain by teaching them that myths are real.

When u have a child,u will teach him the good things that u have learned so far in your life.No one can judge or tell u don't do that.And,any father or parents will do the same to raise the child in a good way.I think u agree with me on that one.When a muslim father teaches his son about the Quran,he is teaching him what is good for him due to the fact that he doesn't want him to be raised in a wrong way.And,any father will the same.So I don't see anything wrong on that one.

And no one can tell the father how to raise his son because he will do what is right for the child.

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when A woman wears Hijab,most poeple or the media would say she is oppressed.While in fact she is not.Why don't they think of her the same way they thought about the non?I never heard the media saying that the nons are oppressed.And u can go so one with the other pictures if u look at them from a diffrent angle.Thanks
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I think this cartoon more accurately depicts the Muslim-Israel difference:
Wow GSM! A picture is truly worth a thousand words. It seems that two can play at that game. Reps to you.
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Old 12-26-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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Why don't they think of her the same way they thought about the non?I never heard the media saying that the nons are oppressed.And u can go so one with the other pictures if u look at them from a diffrent angle.Thanks
The nun has a choice. It is the choice that makes the difference. The oppression is not in the clothing. The oppression is in the lack of choice.
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The nun has a choice. It is the choice that makes the difference. The oppression is not in the clothing. The oppression is in the lack of choice.
That is true, as most nuns today do not wear habits...They dress in ordinary clothing, such that one could not tell who is a nun by looking at how they are dressed.
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:11 PM
 
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The nun has a choice. It is the choice that makes the difference. The oppression is not in the clothing. The oppression is in the lack of choice.
I am just wondering how u do know that they are oppressed.Have u asked a women who is wearing Hijab and practising her relegion if she is oppressed ?

If u haven't ,could u do that ,so that u and I don't oppress them by saying what they haven't said.Because that is what the media does.The media bring one woman or two who are oppressed and say"all muslim women are oppressed" which is not true.
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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I am just wondering how u do know that they are oppressed.Have u asked a women who is wearing Hijab and practising her relegion if she is oppressed ?

If u haven't ,could u do that ,so that u and I don't oppress them by saying what they haven't said.Because that is what the media does.The media bring one woman or two who are oppressed and say"all muslim women are oppressed" which is not true.
Women in Afghanistan are certainly oppressed and wear burkas, and not by choice. Women in SA aren't allowed to drive and do not go out without a male escort. They are not allowed to go out without a hijab. Women in Iran are not allowed to go out without a chador or they face problems with the morality police who keep an eye out to make sure that women are dressed islamically.
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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Have u asked a women who is wearing Hijab and practising her relegion if she is oppressed ?
Yes, I have. Her father was a conservative Muslim and lived by sharia law. When I first met her she had to hide from her family because I disgraced her.....not by having sex with her, but by being alone with her without her family watching us. she was a bright bright young woman and her father was marrying her to a man she did not know and would not be able to attend university. She felt very oppressed.

As I recall (this has been a number of years ago), she ran away from her home in Canada, moved to southern California, got an education, and married a Jewish man whom she loved very much and with whom she had several children. One of her great regrets was that she could never share her happiness with her father or mother......and that her sisters were stuck with men they didn't love in an oppressive relationship. Islam is very cruel to bright young women. And yes, it is both oppressive and barbaric.
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:46 PM
 
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Women in Afghanistan are certainly oppressed and wear burkas, and not by choice. Women in SA aren't allowed to drive and do not go out without a male escort. They are not allowed to go out without a hijab. Women in Iran are not allowed to go out without a chador or they face problems with the morality police who keep an eye out to make sure that women are dressed islamically.
That doesn't mean they are oppressed.U are looking at this in a cultuar way.Look at in a relegious way and how she is protecting herself from being look at as an objective.If u study in America,I bet u recieve emails a lot about women who are being raped on the streets.That is almost never heard of in muslim countries.Check the percentage of women who are being raped in America and compare it to muslim countries.

In the name of Allah ,most Gracious most Merciful
“O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the bridal money you have given them... they. And live with them honourably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and God brings a great deal of good through.” (Quran 4:19)
The religion of Islam demands that women be treated with respect, honour, and justice. It condemns oppression of any kind. In Islam women, like men, are commanded to believe in God and to worship Him. Women are equal to men in terms of reward in the Hereafter.
In the name of Allah ,most Gracious most Merciful
“And whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a true believer in the Oneness of God, such will enter paradise; and not the least injustice, even to the size of a speck on the back of a date stone, will be done to them.” (Quran 4:124)
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Old 12-26-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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Yes, I have. Her father was a conservative Muslim and lived by sharia law. When I first met her she had to hide from her family because I disgraced her.....not by having sex with her, but by being alone with her without her family watching us. she was a bright bright young woman and her father was marrying her to a man she did not know and would not be able to attend university. She felt very oppressed.

As I recall (this has been a number of years ago), she ran away from her home in Canada, moved to southern California, got an education, and married a Jewish man whom she loved very much and with whom she had several children. One of her great regrets was that she could never share her happiness with her father or mother......and that her sisters were stuck with men they didn't love in an oppressive relationship. Islam is very cruel to bright young women. And yes, it is both oppressive and barbaric.
I said relegious women who is practicing her relegion.And this is just one case.When we do a research on topic,we don't ask just two or three people.We ask more,and they have to know about the subject.
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Old 12-26-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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So it is ok if a woman says she doesn't want to practice Islam? Or do you stone her?

Never mind, I know the answer as does the rest of the world.
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