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Old 01-02-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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When I was in Tunisia a number of years ago a local tour guide pointed out a house of prostitution that several men of the destroyer I was on visited......I thought such things in a Muslim country would get a woman stoned. Yet this was apparently not only permitted, but no harm came to the women that worked there. Whats up with that?

also I understand that it is important to the well being of your society that women remain covered so the men won't be driven nuts and make inappropriate contact and not have inappropriate thoughts. I understand women need to be protected from the average Muslim man on the street. apparently none of them can be trusted. But despite the need for protection of Islamic women, one of the truly great performance arts of the world is what we call the "Belly Dance." Surely the very lovely Muslim women who perform this genuine art form in sheer fabrics, gold and jewels, exposing midriffs, thighs, arms......even very very bare feet.....are celebrated as artists.....yet strange men watch them and as young and as lovely as they can be surely most men will lust after such examples of beauty and talent.

Why is it ok for some Muslim women to expose themselves in a costume or profession designed to entice men and elevate men's hormones and lust while other women are completely covered and not allowed to get get jobs or education dressed in a conservative suit or western style clothing?

Are your men so untrustworthy? Are your women so untrustworthy? Is the average man on the street less trustworthy than the guy sitting in the cafe smoking a hookah enjoying a Belly Dance?
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:14 AM
 
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When I was in Tunisia a number of years ago a local tour guide pointed out a house of prostitution that several men of the destroyer I was on visited......I thought such things in a Muslim country would get a woman stoned. Yet this was apparently not only permitted, but no harm came to the women that worked there. Whats up with that?

also I understand that it is important to the well being of your society that women remain covered so the men won't be driven nuts and make inappropriate contact and not have inappropriate thoughts. I understand women need to be protected from the average Muslim man on the street. apparently none of them can be trusted. But despite the need for protection of Islamic women, one of the truly great performance arts of the world is what we call the "Belly Dance." Surely the very lovely Muslim women who perform this genuine art form in sheer fabrics, gold and jewels, exposing midriffs, thighs, arms......even very very bare feet.....are celebrated as artists.....yet strange men watch them and as young and as lovely as they can be surely most men will lust after such examples of beauty and talent.

Why is it ok for some Muslim women to expose themselves in a costume or profession designed to entice men and elevate men's hormones and lust while other women are completely covered and not allowed to get get jobs or education dressed in a conservative suit or western style clothing?

Are your men so untrustworthy? Are your women so untrustworthy? Is the average man on the street less trustworthy than the guy sitting in the cafe smoking a hookah enjoying a Belly Dance?
I came across some indications that prostitutes in muslim countries are trafficked in from abroad. As it's ok to lie to infidels, it's ok to prostitute their women.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:25 AM
 
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Can i answer as an ex-delusional muslim? hehe
ok, let me begin.....

so, there's no question that religious folks are hypocrites in more than one way....but this is a prime example.
it is ok for a muslim (with or without wives) to F*&^ a h00ker or two, because before any such interactions, a few verses ("SIGHEH" in arabic) are read and WOALLA, the two peoples' relationship is now "legit". yes, as simple as that. now, the two can "legally" (in the eye of islam and the law of land) do whatever they want. once the 'interaction" is done, they say a similar verse, and WOALLA, they are not legal anymore (until next time! wink wink)
and yes, this can be done as many times as "necessary" on as many occasions as "needed" with as many parties as "desired" in one sitting.

cool huh? ;-)
U know what .... half knowledge is very Dangerous.. what u said is not the fact.. U have said all the negetives of that practice and notthig possitive..

even i know a very little about that concept in muslims so i am not opening my mouth

However.... what i understand it given below...

Example : there is a girl of 18 or 20 years who was married to a guy for around 5 years . and one fine day the husband of this girs dies and this girl is a widow.. now she is 25 years of age and without her husband... no one is marrying her.. her sexual desires dosent die with her husband, her sexual desiers are still alive Right?

now who will marry her ?

she tried for almost 3t o 4 years but no one is ready to marry this girl due to some reason.. now she is not able to control her sexual desires and she need a man in her life.. Should she get into prostitution for illegal Sex ?

NO But

She can approach a man for a temporary relationship.. and it is not for one day it is for a short period of time (may be 6 months or 3 months - it depends) where they read some verse in Arabic and then the man will have to give her some gift (that could be anything like money or any other gift) and the man will have the full responsibality of this women like his wife till the given period ends.. once the Contract Ends then this women CAN NOT marry another man and will have to wait for 3 months till she completes her 3 periods (menses) then she can marry another man (temperory or permenant)
and if she get pregnant during this temperory marriage then the Man will be be the leagal father fo this Kid and will have to take care of all his needs liek he dose to his own kids..

this concept is just to make sure that the women and men are not getting into the illegal relationships & prostitution..

this implies for the Man as well if his wife is dead or Divorced and he cant marry another women then he should search for a lady who he can marry for a short time.. and the lady should be a Divorced,Widow, and Independent, and if the girl is a virgin then the father of the girl has to give the permission to them for this temperory marriage..

This the is maximum information i have from my Muslim friends who are shias...
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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what i described, is indeed FACT. it is practiced everyday in the muslim countries.....
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:26 AM
 
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Funny how none of the Muslim proselytizers have jumped in to explain either belly dancing or prostitution..........
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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*headsmacks*

Covering is more cultural than religious and therefore is regionalized.
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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In the End it will be said in the Almighty's goodness and holiness who is more respectful of Women. I truly believe it.
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Old 01-05-2011, 01:23 AM
 
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Islam treat women like precious treasure that should be protected .. a queen that men should serve ... she is the route of humankind accession .
If some women decide to become a Belly Dancer or a street prostitute then its not Islams fault .
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According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That's more than 600 women every day .
2700 women In 50 Muslim-Majority countries raped or sexually assaulted at the same year !!
Now ... do you think if the US women drees like muslims could that number decreased ??
I am sure it will
But the real question is ... why christian countries treat women like a Cheap brand commodity that exposed on magazines covers and adult porn movies in the name of freedom ?!!!
Is that christianity religion fault ?

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Old 01-05-2011, 04:56 AM
 
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Islam treat women like precious treasure that should be protected .. a queen that men should serve ... she is the route of humankind accession .
If some women decide to become a Belly Dancer or a street prostitute then its not Islams fault .
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According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That's more than 600 women every day .
2700 women In 50 Muslim-Majority countries raped or sexually assaulted at the same year !!
Now ... do you think if the US women drees like muslims could that number decreased ??
I am sure it will
But the real question is ... why christian countries treat women like a Cheap brand commodity that exposed on magazines covers and adult porn movies in the name of freedom ?!!!
Is that christianity religion fault ?
Yours is the ideal of how Islam ought to treat women but that is not the case in many Muslim countries.

Women in Muslim countries are raped, stoned, barred from education, not allowed to drive, forced into marriage and live without many of the freedoms and protections of Women in the West.

Now I know it is different from country to country. But Women in the West have access to freedoms and protection under our laws, have access to education, are allowed to drive are not forced into marriage, nor do they face stoning.

There is rape in the east and the west. The difference again is that in the east (muslim) countries they often face arrest along with the rapist. In the democratic west the rapist is arrested, not the victim.

You also need to understand the western democratic countries are secular in nature and that religion is NOT attached to the government.

It has nothing to do with Christianity.

Another thing that is apparent to me often in these posts is a refusal to really look at the problems in Muslim countries. Here in the west we do have our problems and our societies are certainly not perfect, but we acknowledge that.

When you acknowledge problems they can be fixed, if you don't they will not ever be fixed.

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Old 01-06-2011, 01:58 AM
 
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Yours is the ideal of how Islam ought to treat women but that is not the case in many Muslim countries.
Then you admitte that Islam really treat women good ?
Thats great .. if its not the case in (some) Muslim countries then its because they dont practise islam as they should do .
Women in Muslim countries are raped, stoned, barred from education, not allowed to drive, forced into marriage and live without many of the freedoms and protections of Women in the West.
What freedom ?
If you mean turning a woman body into a Brand for the public then we dont have that kind of freedom !
"raped"
raped cases in Muslim countries is the the lowest Percentage in the world .
its not a coomen thing that exercise daily like in the west .
"stoned"
1 stoned case in the last 50 year !!
"barred from education"
Because of Poverty & lack of schools .. it has nothing to do with freedom .
"not allowed to drive"
In 55 muslim countries there is only 2 countries do not alowd women to drive but please dont feel sad they have privet drivers ...
dont you wish you have one ?!!
"forced into marriage"
its a rare thing .. dont say it as if its commen .
Now I know it is different from country to country. But Women in the West have access to freedoms and protection under our laws, have access to education, are allowed to drive are not forced into marriage, nor do they face stoning.
The question is ... does it work ?
your presons are full of women .. your streets are full with prostitutes .. the west divorce rating & sexual abuse is the highest world wide ... so ...
There is rape in the east and the west. The difference again is that in the east (muslim) countries they often face arrest along with the rapist. In the democratic west the rapist is arrested, not the victim.
Are you serious
That is not true .. we dont arreste the victim ..
You also need to understand the western democratic countries are secular in nature and that religion is NOT attached to the government.
Thats why western countries have the highest rate in the history of humankind in terms of " Rape , family disintegration , homsexualty .. Etc...
Another thing that is apparent to me often in these posts is a refusal to really look at the problems in Muslim countries. Here in the west we do have our problems and our societies are certainly not perfect, but we acknowledge that.
Agree .. but agin islam has nothing to do with it ...
When you acknowledge problems they can be fixed, if you don't they will not ever be fixed.
To be fair .. the west hav achieved more than we do economically , politically , but i think we are on our way there .

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