knock knock (human, heaven, verses, hell)

[rifleman]

MMmmmm ditchlights. Say; what time do you generally serve breakfast? I also almost forgot that other amazing discovery that is, I'm sure, covered in the Q-Ran: Bourbon.

It's gotta be in there somewhere, since it's so important!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf_SvXDIO00

[finalmessage]

Originally Posted by ditchlights

Almost 9 AM. My conversion attempt took an early detour this morning when I woke up and realized the wife made bacon for breakfast. Also, somehow, a shot of bourbon ended up in my morning coffee as well. What can I say? I'm very weak.

you do not get convert to islam by stopping eating bacon and stopping drinking bourbon
but you get convert to islam when say

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah,
and I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and Messenger of Allah.

and you confirm that in the heart .

[ditchlights]

Originally Posted by finalmessage

you do not get convert to islam by stopping eating bacon and stopping drinking bourbon

I have to start somewhere. If I can't even master my own weaknesses, how could I ever please Allah?

Besides, I don't think I'm ready to be under total and complete submission just yet. I still have many things on my list to do in life that I really don't think would please Allah.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by finalmessage

you do not get convert to islam by stopping eating bacon and stopping drinking bourbon
but you get convert to islam when say

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah,
and I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and Messenger of Allah.

and you confirm that in the heart .

What do you get when you say and confirm in your heart that "I bear witness that Muhammad is a pedophile and a man without honor, that the god of Muhammad is false, and followers of both are delusional and psychotic."?

[tgnostic]

And I add to that: that secular/theocratic Mohammedism needs a good jolt of Baa' fist party Politics for their courage to believe in money and God.

[finalmessage]

Originally Posted by ditchlights

I have to start somewhere. If I can't even master my own weaknesses, how could I ever please Allah?

Besides, I don't think I'm ready to be under total and complete submission just yet. I still have many things on my list to do in life that I really don't think would please Allah.

no one is perfect .

we all make sins.

but we must ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again and if we do it again we ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again and if we do it again we ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again

until

the last thing is the repent and the devil is the one who is defeated.


that is regrading the sins between the servant and his creator only .

[ditchlights]

Originally Posted by finalmessage

but we must ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again and if we do it again we ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again and if we do it again we ask our creator the forgiveness and repent truely and we plan not to do it again

finalmessage,

I have great respect for you. You know that I am messing with you and you have the tolerance to entertain the notion.

We each have our beliefs, and I believe we can both respect that. I am trying in my life as you are trying in yours. With any luck, we will all see each other in the afterlife, because the God that I believe in does not damn any of His children to hell.

Blessings!

[squall-lionheart]

Originally Posted by ditchlights

finalmessage,
because the God that I believe in does not damn any of His children to hell.

Blessings!

According to that if i can get away from the low then i can do what ever i want to do because god won't damn me yhoooooooooooooo
If i shall have no fear from god's punishment then i can do anything .
There is no police presence here & when i die i won't go to hell because i am gods child ... what more can i ask for !!
I am robbing my neighbour tonight thank you ditchlights
HAAAALOYA

[elwill]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Finalmessage, just a bit of friendly technical back-story here so you can begin to understand this video:

Often, we scientists convert signals such as optical, inaudible or electromagnetic (EM) outputs such as this pulsar star's, into audible signals, or "false color" images, so we can evaluate them. This video image was obtained by The Hubble Deep Space Telescope, which is far from anything Allah (only an illiterate prophet, and definitely not a God) could have ever imagined or predicted.

A pulsar star produces electromagnetic (EM) pulses which are always completely inaudible (otherwise you could "hear" your kitchen lightbulb!), and especially across space. Sound requires a medium to travel through, like air, water or even cheese! Not empty outer space.

As well, though light travels @ ≈3 X 10^8 m/sec, sound only travels @ a snail-like ≈ 346 m/sec. Almost 100 million times slower. The pulsar is probably millions of light years away, and even if sound could travel across empty space (which it can't) without diminishing (which it does, over distance) it wouldn't arrive here, well, ever.

So there's simply no "knocking" sound that Allah or anyone else, for that matter, could have ever heard coming from this, or any stars.

This audibly converted signal in the video is just a synthetic add-on to demonstrate the frequency of the EM pulse, not in any way a real sound. You can't compare the two. This is not proof of, well, anything.

Sorry.

hi rifleman
actually i can't deny even one word from what you said , it's all true and it's all scientific , but it dosn't contradict our point of view for the verses meaning

Neutron stars are remnants of exploded stars. As more matter falls into a neutron star its mass increases; and as its mass increases its gravity increases. A point will be reached where gravity would have grown so much that not even light could escape, thus a black hole forms. Most neutron stars discovered today are in the form of radio pulsars. They are called radio pulsars because they emit radio waves. We can simply connect a radio telescope to a loud speaker and hear a pulsar.
Pulsars sound like someone persistently knocking.

So in short, we can hear a pulsar knock; and if matter continues to fall into this pulsar a black hole will eventually form.

Moslems say that this is what Allah says. The Quran describes a star by "The one who knocks" and says that it is "The one who makes a hole".

[Quran 86.1-3] And the heaven and the "Knocker" (Tarek in Arabic) How could you know about the "Knocker"? The piercing star (Thakeb in Arabic).

The Arabic word "Thukb" means a hole; "Thakeb" means the one who makes the hole. The Quran is describing a knocking star that makes a hole.

[rifleman]

So Allah had his own radio telescope?

I'm thinkin' not so much! We simply adjust the signal into an audible range. It certainly did not start out there; what you "hear" is but a construct of modern Western science. As I said, please point out any unambiguous references to lasers in The Q'Ran. I'm all ears, and will be far more convinced of Islam if you do.

Originally Posted by Goodpasture

What do you get when you say and confirm in your heart that "I bear witness that Muhammad is a pedophile and a man without honor, that the god of Muhammad is false, and followers of both are delusional and psychotic."?

I'd avoid that one, Goodpasture, because in the real, functioning Islamic world, you might get a special treatment you'd truly not enjoy.

Frankly, if I had to live in a strictly Islamic culture, I'd shut the frick up about my personal beliefs, because I'd be physically persecuted, and I'm talking "razor sharp" cutting-edge persecution. No wonder Western constitutional religious freedoms rankle Muslims so much!

Tell me that ain't so, good Muslims here!

(But we do seem to be witnessing some mature, rational responses to forced Islam in much of the ME (hurray for men of conscience!) as we speak! Power to the people!)