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Old 02-25-2011, 08:47 AM
 
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............to devise a meaningful god or punishment and rewards:

Punishment...the constant pain of burning in continuing flames(worst pain he could imagine)

Rewards...Pearly Gates(valuable worldly possessions)
Streets Paved With Gold(valuable worldly possessions)
Having the creator serve a meal for each one in the presence of their enemies(worldly honor plus worldly humiliation of one's enemies)

The Muslims couldn't be more obvious...72 virgin handmaidens.

Now the stinger...this stuff will go on forever(most suffering or reward that a human could imagine.)

Man created god in his image...definitely not the other way around.
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Old 02-25-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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............to devise a meaningful god or punishment and rewards:

Punishment...the constant pain of burning in continuing flames(worst pain he could imagine)

Rewards...Pearly Gates(valuable worldly possessions)
Streets Paved With Gold(valuable worldly possessions)
Having the creator serve a meal for each one in the presence of their enemies(worldly honor plus worldly humiliation of one's enemies)

The Muslims couldn't be more obvious...72 virgin handmaidens.

Now the stinger...this stuff will go on forever(most suffering or reward that a human could imagine.)

Man created god in his image...definitely not the other way around.
Actually "primitive" mankind (hunter-gatherer cultures and the ancestral state of mankind) ususally have the most personal, egalitarian and ultimately useful religious beliefs that put humankind in proper context as a part of the natural cycle and focus on real life, not what supposedly happens before or after.

The stuff you talk about is the invention of "civilization", concocted by powerful religious institutions to control the "unwashed masses".

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Old 02-25-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Actually "primitive" mankind (hunter-gatherer cultures and the ancestral state of mankind) ususally have the most personal, egalitarian and ultimately useful religious beliefs that put humankind in proper context as a part of the natural cycle and focus on real life, not what supposedly happens before or after.

The stuff you talk about is the invention of "civilization", concocted by powerful religious institutions to control the unwashed masses.
I knew there had to be some stupid reason to blame everything they didn't understand(about 99%) on some invisible man in the sky...one who loves you but will burn your dumb arse to a crisp in a heartbeat.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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I knew there had to be some stupid reason to blame everything they didn't understand(about 99%) on some invisible man in the sky...one who loves you but will burn your dumb arse to a crisp in a heartbeat.
Hey, it's works well. Either that or the Vatican has been built just to celebrate Christ's love of all things shiny, golden and rare.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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Actually "primitive" mankind (hunter-gatherer cultures and the ancestral state of mankind) ususally have the most personal, egalitarian and ultimately useful religious beliefs that put humankind in proper context as a part of the natural cycle and focus on real life, not what supposedly happens before or after.

The stuff you talk about is the invention of "civilization", concocted by powerful religious institutions to control the unwashed masses.
The, "Love your enemies", "Return evil for evil to no one", "Do not avenge yourselves", "If a man steals your outer garment, give him your inner garment too", "Slaves, obey your masters", Women are to be in silence having no authority", etc, etc...all because, "God said so"...with the aforementioned "punishment vs reward system" to back it up. This was/is put forth by evil, greedy men on a quest for power, control, and money...to keep the people they were/are persecuting in the course of that quest to do what they want(ed) and not revolt against them.
What better thing to tell ignorant, primitive people you are enslaving/persecuting, "You have to accept your plight and not resist because, God said so. And if you do, you will be rewarded beyond imagination. But if you don't, you will suffer beyond imagination. For ever!"?!!

It is this twisted and polluted "beliefs about" God that turns people off to the concept of God, and messes them up from recognizing that God does, in fact, exist. Not the evil, heinous, "Ancient Book God"...but Source/Creator God.
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Old 02-25-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Hey, it's works well. Either that or the Vatican has been built just to celebrate Christ's love of all things shiny, golden and rare.
Ya' gotta love it when they're all pomped out in their gowns with tall hats, jeweled smoke pots and beads.
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:25 PM
 
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Actually "primitive" mankind (hunter-gatherer cultures and the ancestral state of mankind) ususally have the most personal, egalitarian and ultimately useful religious beliefs that put humankind in proper context as a part of the natural cycle and focus on real life, not what supposedly happens before or after.

The stuff you talk about is the invention of "civilization", concocted by powerful religious institutions to control the "unwashed masses".
Q: Where's Fullback32 when we need his valuable spiritual input?

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Hey, it's works well. Either that or the Vatican has been built just to celebrate Christ's love of all things shiny, golden and rare.
He surely does, doesn't He? Else He'd not ask you to keep bringing them in to the chapel after hours; you know, so it's not so embarrassing for you.

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Ya' gotta love it when they're all pomped out in their gowns with tall hats, jeweled smoke pots and beads.
And let's also never forget who actually paid for all them bangles. I once drove across the quiet Quebec countryside, where you can see the next small town from about 5 - 10 miles away because of the imposing presence of that massive spire sticking right up into the heavens. The brass placard out in front of the church inevitably notes that it took about 3 or 4 generations and their total dedication to the construction effort to get that structure where it needed to be.

http://provincequebec.com/upl-files/...ley_church.jpg

("What? This little thing? It's just our local meeting place, be it ever so humble!")

One is also then quick to realize the abject village poverty that surrounds the church, and the v. nice M-Benz that's parked in the designated priestly parking spot...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2jZelvbBGP...roadster_8.jpg

("Bring it around to the front of the mance, Harrison!, and be quick about it! I have to visit a young boy in need of spiritual guidance this afternoon")

God should not have to get about his parish in discomfort after all....
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Old 02-25-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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He surely does, doesn't He? Else He'd not ask you to keep bringing them in to the chapel after hours; you know, so it's not so embarrassing for you.



And let's also never forget who actually paid for all them bangles. I once drove across the quiet Quebec countryside, where you can see the next small town from about 5 - 10 miles away because of the imposing presence of that massive spire sticking right up into the heavens. The brass placard out in front of the church inevitably notes that it took about 3 or 4 generations and their total dedication to the construction effort to get that structure where it needed to be.

http://provincequebec.com/upl-files/...ley_church.jpg

("What? This little thing? It's just our local meeting place, be it ever so humble!")

One is also then quick to realize the abject village poverty that surrounds the church, and the v. nice M-Benz that's parked in the designated priestly parking spot...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2jZelvbBGP...roadster_8.jpg

("Bring it around to the front of the mance, Harrison!, and be quick about it! I have to visit a young boy in need of spiritual guidance this afternoon")

God should not have to get about his parish in discomfort after all....
I think there's a good chance you nailed it...no disrespect to Quebec. In 1979 my wife(before I made an honest woman of her) and I spent a week in a bear hunter's cottage in mid Quebec and fished every day. We have photos of everything and we will never forget it. Those have to be the most beautiful lakes in the world.
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Old 02-25-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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He surely does, doesn't He? Else He'd not ask you to keep bringing them in to the chapel after hours; you know, so it's not so embarrassing for you.



And let's also never forget who actually paid for all them bangles. I once drove across the quiet Quebec countryside, where you can see the next small town from about 5 - 10 miles away because of the imposing presence of that massive spire sticking right up into the heavens. The brass placard out in front of the church inevitably notes that it took about 3 or 4 generations and their total dedication to the construction effort to get that structure where it needed to be.

http://provincequebec.com/upl-files/...ley_church.jpg

("What? This little thing? It's just our local meeting place, be it ever so humble!")

One is also then quick to realize the abject village poverty that surrounds the church, and the v. nice M-Benz that's parked in the designated priestly parking spot...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2jZelvbBGP...roadster_8.jpg

("Bring it around to the front of the mance, Harrison!, and be quick about it! I have to visit a young boy in need of spiritual guidance this afternoon")

God should not have to get about his parish in discomfort after all....
i wonder does it say anywhere in the bible if god likes pipe organs.? just wondering.. i think it would be more economical for churches to convert to electric guitars.. more bang for the buck>> god realy must love shiny things.??>> or would it be for the greed of man.

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Old 02-26-2011, 05:46 AM
 
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i wonder does it say anywhere in the bible if god likes pipe organs.? just wondering.. i think it would be more economical for churches to convert to electric guitars.. more bang for the buck>> god realy must love shiny things.??>> or would it be for the greed of man.





They've got it made and the amazing thing is what it's for...a promise of something which is supposed to be delivered after one has died.
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