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Old 04-03-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Terry Jones is doing what every Christian should do, and expose Islam for what it is. THe Koran is the most evil and dangerous thing to God that has ever been made. It belongs in the trash bin and should be burned.
I have higher hopes that that for Islam. I sincerely hope that their religion can one day get along better with the rest of humanity. Islam of today is repeating many of the same mistakes that Christianity made centuries ago: Massacring and persecuting the unbelievers, acting like crazy people (Spanish Inquisition), destroying those things sacred to others (burning Maya and Aztec records, Celts, 30 Years War), and trying to enforce religious orthodoxy by threat of death or torture (Spanish Inquisition, Jon Hus, John Wycliffe, the early Anabaptists).

Christianity behaved very badly in the past. We've managed to grow up and learn from our past mistakes for the most part. I see no reason that Islam can't do the same -- but first they need to realize that there's a problem.
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Old 04-03-2011, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The only thing I'm curious about, if you actually do use violence to solve your problems is...How much time have you spent in prison? Violence is not only NOT a solution it is against the law.
None! That's the beauty of it.
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Old 04-03-2011, 04:31 PM
 
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I have higher hopes that that for Islam. I sincerely hope that their religion can one day get along better with the rest of humanity. Islam of today is repeating many of the same mistakes that Christianity made centuries ago: Massacring and persecuting the unbelievers, acting like crazy people (Spanish Inquisition), destroying those things sacred to others (burning Maya and Aztec records, Celts, 30 Years War), and trying to enforce religious orthodoxy by threat of death or torture (Spanish Inquisition, Jon Hus, John Wycliffe, the early Anabaptists).

Christianity behaved very badly in the past. We've managed to grow up and learn from our past mistakes for the most part. I see no reason that Islam can't do the same -- but first they need to realize that there's a problem.

People have taken God's name in vain under the guise of Christianity. Muhammad's guise was that of a prophet. The religion of Christianity can survive these things because the Bible itself doesn't sanction violence, at least the NT anyways.

The Koran sanctions violence, wife-beating, murder, lying, and terrorism. The problem isn't with a few that misunderstand the Koran. THe problem is the few that UNDERSTAND the Koran and faithfully follow Muhammad. A LOT of Muhammad's terrible evils are spelled out in the Koran, and all of Islam loves him. Terrorism is the hands of Muhammad. Every single "moderate" needs to wake up and condemn Muhammad for all that he truly is. It's the only way. THem covering up for him only empowers his influence.
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Old 04-03-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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We have a number of Muslims here on the forum, and it seems to me that they have been very quiet regarding the violence in response to the Quran burning incident. Where is your outrage, and condemnation of these vicious attacks?

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Business districts in Kandahar City were under a self-imposed lockdown Saturday after nine men died and scores were injured during bloody protests over the burning of a Holy Koran by a Christian fundamentalist clergyman in Florida.

Saturday's bloodshed in the city, regarded as the spiritual home of the Taliban, followed by 24 hours the deaths of 12 United Nations workers and Afghan civilians during the sacking of the UN compound in the normally peaceful northern city of Mazir-i-Sharif.

Read more: Bloody protests over Koran burning spread to Kandahar City
Things are pretty tense in the Muslim countries these days. I believe that the United States is exerting a lot of undue influence on the leaders to "step down" and supporting the actions of the rebels to effectuate changes in leadership that will benefit the USA's endless desire to have control of ALL OF THE OIL in the universe.

It is my opinion that despite what you hear on CNN, that maybe, just maybe the general population of the Muslim world does not particularly like the USA sticking it's nose into their business (which they have been doing for a long, long time, even before the first bomb was dropped in 2003).

It doesn't take much for people who are not happy and who are very frustrated to resort to violence. Having an event like the Koran burning simply pushes people over the edge. Is it right? No, it is not. Is it understandable? Pretty much.

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Old 04-03-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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People have taken God's name in vain under the guise of Christianity. Muhammad's guise was that of a prophet. The religion of Christianity can survive these things because the Bible itself doesn't sanction violence, at least the NT anyways.

The Koran sanctions violence, wife-beating, murder, lying, and terrorism. The problem isn't with a few that misunderstand the Koran. THe problem is the few that UNDERSTAND the Koran and faithfully follow Muhammad. A LOT of Muhammad's terrible evils are spelled out in the Koran, and all of Islam loves him. Terrorism is the hands of Muhammad. Every single "moderate" needs to wake up and condemn Muhammad for all that he truly is. It's the only way. THem covering up for him only empowers his influence.

Well now, are you an old testament or new testament Christian or do you pick and choose back and forth between the old and new testaments to suit yourself like so many Christians do. I wonder if you've read the books of Exodus and Leviticus, you know the second and third book of Moses with all its Do's and Don'ts.

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Old 04-05-2011, 01:52 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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The pastor who burned the Quran is a total jackass who feels no guilt about the UN workers who were killed in Afghanistan, but the scenes of those Muslim mobs demonstrating violently for a second day, simply because an idiot in Florida with a very small congregation burned a copy of their "holy" book, really makes me happy to be an atheist.
The only person responsible for a murderous act, is the murders. He is not guilty, the murders are!
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Old 04-05-2011, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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What the hell is the matter with these people?

A source in Afghanistan's Interior Ministry told RIA Novosti on Sunday that the death toll had passed 100 in riots over the public burning of a Quran by a U.S. pastor.

Fighting is going on outside a government building and the city's fifth district is littered with bodies. Police say the protesters have been joined by Taliban militants. Over 100 dead in Kandahar, witnesses say police firing on crowds | World | RIA Novosti
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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It's because they are the "Religion of Peace" ya know. They're just so frickin peaceful.

Granted, Afghanistan is the very anus of the Muslim world in terms of enlightenment, education, culture and civilization. But Islam doesn't get a pass for all of those excuses. If somebody burn mere paper and ink inspires you to murder and massacre, then your religion -- at this point in time -- is garbage.

If Islam claims to be a religion of peace, show it. If Islam claims to be a religion of tolerance, show it. If Islam claims to be against violence and murder, show it. The Islam of today is a hopeless contradiction to all of those things.

If Christianity were to over-react to the same degree ... considering the sheer number of Christian sacred sites, Bibles and other sacred objects that have been either burned or desecrated by Muslims, then I don't know if there would be a single Muslim left alive on the planet from the backlash that should have happened (but didn't.)
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:22 PM
 
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Terry Jones is doing what every Christian should do, and expose Islam for what it is. THe Koran is the most evil and dangerous thing to God that has ever been made. It belongs in the trash bin and should be burned.
You really have a lot of hate in your heart don't you. How very christian of you, which of course is why religion is the greatest threat to humanity that exists.

Is it hate begets hate, or stupidity is a force unto itself?
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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Is it hate begets hate, or stupidity is a force unto itself?
Hate is born of fear. Fear comes from not knowing. Not knowing is stupidity and it can be cured. Once a person ceases being stupid they began to know, thus they begin to not fear, thus they quit hating. Cure stupidity and you cure hate.
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