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Old 04-29-2011, 04:44 PM
 
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It still doesn't change the truth.

Agreed.

 
Old 04-29-2011, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Log home in the Appalachians
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Total BS. Hussein fooled the world into thinking he had WMDs. EVERYONE thought he had them. Bush went into Iraq believing that Iraqis would fight for freedom. He said it time and time again. He went in to overthrow Hussien and establish a democracy.
Little Hamer, it is completely amazing as to how ignorant one can be, do you seem to forget President Bush's background, before becoming the president of the United States him and the vice president were both oilmen with the big oil companies, all he was doing was looking for a reason to invade Iraq. Now mind you Saddam Hussein ran his mouth a lot up but about all of the so called weapons the he had and was a real tyrant to his people and deserve to be deposed but not the way we did it.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Total BS. Hussein fooled the world into thinking he had WMDs. EVERYONE thought he had them. Bush went into Iraq believing that Iraqis would fight for freedom. He said it time and time again. He went in to overthrow Hussien and establish a democracy.
Little Hammer,

Truth, and all of the available evidence, contradicts your assertions.

All of the First World nations (including Great Britain, btw) and the United Nations knew (or strongly suspected) that Hussein had no WMDs. That's why none but Great Britain - loyal to the last - supported Bush's plan. And that's why Bush and his cronies bad-mouthed two of our greatest allies - France and Germany - before God and everybody. And of course, as it turned out, they were right and Bushie was completely and totally WRONG.

Too, all ya gotta do is review the news footage of Bush's statements from 2001 through 2003 to reveal that his stated purpose had nothing to do with establishing a democracy in Iraq. That only surfaced some time AFTER we, and the entire world, came to understand the extent to which Bush had hoodwinked the American people.

If you're gonna try to debate here, you've got to at least try and get your facts straight. Otherwise you're only stating your personal opinion. And as we all know, opinions are like noses -- everybody's got one, and they all smell.

Buh-bye, now.

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Old 04-29-2011, 04:50 PM
 
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Bush, etc. knew that Hussein had WMDs because we sold them to him in the 80's. They also knew perfectly well that he didn't have any left over after the Iran-Iraq war because he'd used all the rest on the Kurds. They talked a good game about spreading democracy, but the real reasons they invaded were, as Nighteyes mentioned, oil and lucrative contracts for Halliburton, Blackwater, etc., and to attempt to establish a permanent US military presence in the Middle East (something that they'd hope to do after Gulf War I, but which didn't pan out).

Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or seriously misinformed.

Ruthless dictators are all over the middle east. Overthrowing them for oil is gtg in my book. Hussein had his country under heavy sanctions for a dozen years, bribing UN members, keeping Iraq in the sorry state they were in while kicking out weapons inspectors. Hussein had every oppertunity to prevent any kind of invasion by cooperating. Bush said he never would have invaded, had he known there were no WMDs there. It was about kicking out a ruthless dictator. (One of many)
 
Old 04-29-2011, 04:54 PM
 
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Little Hamer, it is completely amazing as to how ignorant one can be, do you seem to forget President Bush's background, before becoming the president of the United States him and the vice president were both oilmen with the big oil companies, all he was doing was looking for a reason to invade Iraq. Now mind you Saddam Hussein ran his mouth a lot up but about all of the so called weapons the he had and was a real tyrant to his people and deserve to be deposed but not the way we did it.

You are accusing Bush of invading Iraq to line his pockets? That's hilarious. So where is this oil you accuse Bush of stealing?
 
Old 04-29-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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Truth, and all of the available evidence, contradicts your assertions.

All of the First World nations (even Great Britain, btw, though they supported Bush) and the United Nations knew (or strongly suspected) that Hussein had no WMDs. That's why none of them supported Bush's plan. And that's why Bush and his cronies bad-mouthed them before God and everybody. And of course, as it turned out, they were right and Bushie was completely and totally WRONG.

Too, all ya gotta do is review the news footage of Bush's statements from 2001 through 2003 to reveal that his stated purpose had nothing to do with establishing a democracy in Iraq. That only surfaced some time AFTER we, and the entire world, came to understand the extent to which Bush had hoodwinked the American people.

If you're gonna try to debate here, you've got to at least try and get your facts straight. Otherwise you're only stating your personal opinion. And as we all know, opinions are like noses -- everybody's got one, and they all smell.

Buh-bye, now.

EVERYBODY thought he had them. He used them in the past. The weapons inspectors reported suspicious behavior. Hussein blocked them from doing their jobs, and then kicked them out. Much of the UN was taking bribes through the Oil For Food program. The UN seemed fine with the idea of keeping Iraq in a perpetual state of heavy sanctions, but the Iraqi people were the one's suffering. Hussein was not cooperating. They needed saving.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 05:25 PM
 
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Pres. Bush claimed that God told him to invade Iraq to help bring peace to the middle east, and I believe he did the right thing by listening to him. One of the many Islammic fascist dictators is out of power, and they are now fighting for freedom and democracy all over the middle east.
 
Old 04-29-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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President Bush went into Iraq believing that the people over there want democracy and freedom, and he believed they will fight for democracy and freedom. He planted the seed for that to happen. Now it's happening all over the middle east. Bush is about liberation. NOT dictatorship. You are really ignorant and perverted.
WOW, one has to drink an awful lot of neocon biblical kool-aid to be that far removed from seeing this had nothing to do with democracy and freedom for anyone. The militiary industral complex was the motivating power (ever hear of Halliburton and Cheney?) and killing them muslims was the war cry and their imagined WMDs were the talking points to sell it to the American public, the majority of which couldn't have found Iraq on a map that had all the countries labeled, but knew the bible from cover to cover (well at least the parts people had told them about)
 
Old 04-29-2011, 11:34 PM
 
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Iraq had a secular government. It was a dictatorship, but not an "Islamic republic". President Clinton was smart enough to pursue sanctions when Saddam behaved badly, rather than going to war. He had our national debt shrinking, partly from not going to war. (What a concept.) I don't like some of the other things he did, but he deserves credit for this.
 
Old 04-30-2011, 12:25 AM
 
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You are a sick person.
You need to grow up and realize that your opinions are only yours...You are entitled to them as others are entitled to their opinions...No need for the name calling that you seem to be so fond of doing.
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