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Old 05-15-2011, 09:23 PM
 
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So why on earth is there a single muslim man walking this planet?
Or woman? Boggles the mind doesn't it.
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Old 05-15-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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Are you saying that you never looked at porn...never masturbated...never had sexual thoughts?

I can't wait to get your answer to that question.
I asked the same question to an adventist dude with that puzzling look in my eye.

The bugger said, "NEVER"
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:23 AM
 
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Are you saying that you never looked at porn...never masturbated...I can't wait to get your answer to that question.
If you did something wrong .. does that make it right because you only did it ?
My friend ..
We do so many things that we should't do .. it calls sins ..
But Allah always accepts repentance , No need for a priest to confess no nothing .. it is directly between you and allah .
I did watched porn when I was a teenager & I did so manythings that I should't do but that was many years a go ... not anymore .
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never had sexual thoughts?
Of curse I have ... I am a human ... but I don't leads by it ..I don't allow it to turne me into an animal that looking for sexual intercourse in any way with any female around .
Islam teaches us how to control our desires .
God do not punishes us on our thoughts .. its what we do .
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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QUESTION:
Is there any possibility that the US report of pornography found in bin Laden's compound is fabricated and spread to try to discredit him among his followers?
Possible sure, but it seems to fit. Some of the 9/11 attackers were hitting the ranches in Nevada - only place where prostitution is legal in the USA. The one thing that the US could get to stick in order to arrest Anwar Al-Awlaki was well documented case/cases of solicitng prostitution.

The amazing thing to me is that any Muslims are so mindlessly gullible that they would attempt to make any member of Al Qeda into a martyr for Islam. Al Qeda is the very antithesis of Islam, so why would anyone be foolish enough to expect Al Qeda operatives to be good upstanding Muslims. Shame on any Muslim who tries to make a hero out of Bin Laden. What a terrible black mark he has been on your religion! Islam may be considered a religion of bloodthirsty murderous madmen by non-Muslims for decades to come, all thanks to the actions of Osama Bin Laden. Why on earth would any sane Muslim embrace such a monster?
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Old 05-18-2011, 05:48 AM
 
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Possible sure, but it seems to fit. Some of the 9/11 attackers were hitting the ranches in Nevada - only place where prostitution is legal in the USA. The one thing that the US could get to stick in order to arrest Anwar Al-Awlaki was well documented case/cases of solicitng prostitution.

The amazing thing to me is that any Muslims are so mindlessly gullible that they would attempt to make any member of Al Qeda into a martyr for Islam. Al Qeda is the very antithesis of Islam, so why would anyone be foolish enough to expect Al Qeda operatives to be good upstanding Muslims. Shame on any Muslim who tries to make a hero out of Bin Laden . What a terrible black mark he has been on your religion! Islam may be considered a religion of bloodthirsty murderous madmen by non-Muslims for decades to come, all thanks to the actions of Osama Bin Laden. Why on earth would any sane Muslim embrace such a monster?
I totally agree with you especially on this :
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What a terrible black mark he has been on your religion! Islam may be considered a religion of bloodthirsty murderous madmen by non-Muslims for decades to come, all thanks to the actions of Osama Bin Laden
It seems to me that you are a reasonable understanding person .. there for we must ask our selfs .. why would some muslims make a hero out of Bin Laden ?
I will give you a hint :
Ignorance , injustice , oppression , Conquer ... etc ...
Please allow me to ask you this :
Do you really think all of the terrorist attacks since the 9/11 until now were really made by Al Qeda ?!!
dont you think that there could be some intelligence services from all around the world used Al Qeda name to pass there own agendas ?
And the Million Dollar Question is :
Do you really think Al Qeda did the 9/11 attacke ??
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Old 05-18-2011, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Possible sure, but it seems to fit. Some of the 9/11 attackers were hitting the ranches in Nevada - only place where prostitution is legal in the USA. The one thing that the US could get to stick in order to arrest Anwar Al-Awlaki was well documented case/cases of solicitng prostitution.

The amazing thing to me is that any Muslims are so mindlessly gullible that they would attempt to make any member of Al Qeda into a martyr for Islam. Al Qeda is the very antithesis of Islam, so why would anyone be foolish enough to expect Al Qeda operatives to be good upstanding Muslims. Shame on any Muslim who tries to make a hero out of Bin Laden. What a terrible black mark he has been on your religion! Islam may be considered a religion of bloodthirsty murderous madmen by non-Muslims for decades to come, all thanks to the actions of Osama Bin Laden. Why on earth would any sane Muslim embrace such a monster?
I agree with you. But, I will not condemn the dead, I do not know who will go to heaven. Every person has the ability to repent and ask for forgiveness up to the moment of their last heart beat. It is my desire that all people will achieve heaven and if they live the life of a despot they make amends before their last heart beat.
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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I totally agree with you especially on this :

It seems to me that you are a reasonable understanding person .. there for we must ask our selfs .. why would some muslims make a hero out of Bin Laden ?
I will give you a hint :
Ignorance , injustice , oppression , Conquer ... etc ...
The number one thing that I think leads Muslims to make a cult hero out of somebody like Bin Laden is this:
Illiteracy rates in the middle east are as follows:
1. Afghanistan 72% illiteracy
2. Pakistan 50% illiteracy
3. Mauritania 49% illiteracy
4. Morocco 48% illiteracy
5. Yemen 46% illiteracy
6. Sudan 39% illiteracy
7. Djibouti 32% illiteracy
8. Algeria 30% illiteracy
9. Iraq 26% illiteracy
10. Tunisia 25.7% illiteracy
11. Egypt 28% illiteracy
12. Comoros 25% illiteracy
13. Syria 19% illiteracy
14. Oman 18% illiteracy
15. Iran 17.6% illiteracy
16. Saudi Arabia 17.1% illiteracy
17. Libya 16% illiteracy
18. Bahrain 13% illiteracy
19. Turkey 12.6% illiteracy
20. Lebanon 12% illiteracy
21. U.A.E. 11.3% illiteracy
22. Qatar 11% illiteracy
23. Jordan 9% illiteracy
24. Palestine 8% illiteracy
25. Kuwait 7% illiteracy

Illiterate people are stupid, gullible and have to rely on other people to tell them what the Quran (in this case) says. If a man doesn't know how to read and somebody else says Osama Bin Laden is a hero and martyr for Islam, how is he to argue the point? And illiterate Muslims are easy prey for extremist groups because an illiterate man is basically a blank slate. Easy to shape and mold and indoctrinate.

The first step and very best idea for restoring the good name of of Islam is to educate the people. And I don't think educating them in nothing but the Quran is effective. Teach them about the world and help them to understand viewpoints other than that of Islam. Teach them to respect other viewpoints.

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Please allow me to ask you this :
Do you really think all of the terrorist attacks since the 9/11 until now were really made by Al Qeda ?!!
Some have been the actions of Al Qeda and some have been copycat actions by Muslims who want to stand up and fight for their religion. I think this is misguided religious fervor. The nation of Afghanistan knew very well that the United States of America is a big scary tiger. They knew very well that provoking the USA was a very bad idea. But when Al Qeda walked up to the tiger and kicked it, the Taliban government of Afghanistan was stupid enough to try to shelter Bin Laden and others from that very angry tiger. So is it really such a surprise that Afghanistan got mauled for their trouble? It is anyone really surprised that the USA in a highly agitated mood invaded Iraq mostly on the basis of suspicion that they were planning to attack the USA? I can promise you this much: If it weren't for all the Muslims revolutionaries trying to overthrow the current governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military would already be long gone by now. We don't want to be there, trust me. And if the majority of both nations wants to go back to officially hating the USA, their government is a democracy now so they can make that choice if they want. But one would hope that both nations learned that attacking the USA isn't going to be a good idea and don't try it again.

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[color=#4b0082]And the Million Dollar Question is :dont you think that there could be some intelligence services from all around the world used Al Qeda name to pass there own agendas ?
Do you really think Al Qeda did the 9/11 attacke ??
The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is that the theorists don't have to offer up one shred of proof. Michael Moore made an idiot of himself trying to demonstrate that the 9/11 attacks were an elaborate conspiracy by President Bush. And the most puzzling thing: Liberals quite mercilessly assassinate the character of President Bush, telling anyone who wants to hear how incompetent and idiotic he was. And then they want to credit him with managing the most elaborate and flawlessly executed mass con jobs in human history.

Occam's Razor says that given two possible explanations, the simplest one is the right one. In this case, the simplest explanation is that the group that took credit for the attacks and bragged about it to the whole world -- actually did orchestrate and execute the attacks.

I can go into a lot better detail of how insanely complicated it gets to try to pin 9/11 on the Bush Administration or some secret society, etc but I only if you really want me to.
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The number one thing that I think leads Muslims to make a cult hero out of somebody like Bin Laden is this:
Illiteracy rates in the middle east are as follows:
1. Afghanistan 72% illiteracy
2. Pakistan 50% illiteracy
3. Mauritania 49% illiteracy
4. Morocco 48% illiteracy
5. Yemen 46% illiteracy
6. Sudan 39% illiteracy
7. Djibouti 32% illiteracy
8. Algeria 30% illiteracy
9. Iraq 26% illiteracy
10. Tunisia 25.7% illiteracy
11. Egypt 28% illiteracy
12. Comoros 25% illiteracy
13. Syria 19% illiteracy
14. Oman 18% illiteracy
15. Iran 17.6% illiteracy
16. Saudi Arabia 17.1% illiteracy
17. Libya 16% illiteracy
18. Bahrain 13% illiteracy
19. Turkey 12.6% illiteracy
20. Lebanon 12% illiteracy
21. U.A.E. 11.3% illiteracy
22. Qatar 11% illiteracy
23. Jordan 9% illiteracy
24. Palestine 8% illiteracy
25. Kuwait 7% illiteracy

Illiterate people are stupid, gullible and have to rely on other people to tell them what the Quran (in this case) says. If a man doesn't know how to read and somebody else says Osama Bin Laden is a hero and martyr for Islam, how is he to argue the point? And illiterate Muslims are easy prey for extremist groups because an illiterate man is basically a blank slate. Easy to shape and mold and indoctrinate.
While I agree there is a lot of truth in that, it is only a small part of the reason.

One part is common to all people, we all have a tendency to give a Robinhood type view to any small group or individuals who perplex the establishment or take on big governments and at least for a while elude capture. Think of some of past American "heroes" (Heroes in the sense of being admired by many)

Jesse James
Bonny and Clyde
Dilinger
"Bambi" the young female fugitive who eluded capture
B D Cooper the sky jacker

Add to that the desire we all have of thinking, that all people we see as being part of us, are good.


This is not just a Muslim idiosyncrasy. this is typical of all people.

Then look at the massive destruction that was done to Afghanistan in retaliation by western forces as "Punishment" for harboring bin Laden when in reality there was no way to keep him out and even worse we now learn that he was only in Afghaistan for a short period of time. It now seems he was in Pakistan during nearly all of the past 10 years.


As for Bin Laden, do I think he was a terrorist or a hero? The answer is neither. I do not know him personally and can only form an opinion based upon what I read, and what I read differs from source to source. But in any event what and who ever he was is now a moot point. I do know that he will face true judgement for his deeds and will be either rewarded or punished fairly by the best and truest of judges, Allaah(swt). It is not my place to judge him and I will not speak ill of the dead.
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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Possible sure, but it seems to fit. Some of the 9/11 attackers were hitting the ranches in Nevada - only place where prostitution is legal in the USA. The one thing that the US could get to stick in order to arrest Anwar Al-Awlaki was well documented case/cases of solicitng prostitution.

The amazing thing to me is that any Muslims are so mindlessly gullible that they would attempt to make any member of Al Qeda into a martyr for Islam. Al Qeda is the very antithesis of Islam, so why would anyone be foolish enough to expect Al Qeda operatives to be good upstanding Muslims. Shame on any Muslim who tries to make a hero out of Bin Laden. What a terrible black mark he has been on your religion! Islam may be considered a religion of bloodthirsty murderous madmen by non-Muslims for decades to come, all thanks to the actions of Osama Bin Laden. Why on earth would any sane Muslim embrace such a monster?

Probably for the same reason they follow such a monster as Muhammad. He was 10 times worse that Bin Laden.
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Old 05-18-2011, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Probably for the same reason they follow such a monster as Muhammad. He was 10 times worse that Bin Laden.
I do not know of any Muslim who follows Muhammad(PBUH). We are Muslims not Mohammadans and we follow the Qur'an not Muhammad(PBUH). He was the messinger, not the messege. We do honor and respect him as we do all Prophets(PBUT), but we do not worship any Prophets.
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