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Old 05-14-2011, 11:26 PM
 
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Do you apply the same standard to the Christian Bible?

Who was around to record it when Jesus was supposedly alone in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights?

This thread is about Islam.
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I have no idea how anyone with one iota of common sense could voluntarily align themselves with this archaic violent religion.
Perhaps you should speak to my wife who is Native American Cheyenne and let her tell you what the loving Christian missionaries did to her grand parents on the Northern Cheyenne reservation in Montana or how she was taken from her parents, placed in a good white Christian home, forbidden to speak her language or even learn about her culture, so she would not be raised as a savage. Let her tell you what religion she thinks is barbaric and violent.
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Old 05-15-2011, 12:34 AM
 
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Christians no longer do that, but Muslims continue to kill those that don't subscribe to their beliefs.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Christians no longer do that, but Muslims continue to kill those that don't subscribe to their beliefs.
Sorry I have not laid a single finger upon another human since I accepted Islam and the majority of us do accept that it is forbidden for us to impose our belief upon others.

Surah 2 ayyat 156: Let there be no compulsion in religion

The only time I ever took another life was while I was Christian and in combat. Looking back and remembering the body counts the recon flights made after I made my straffing and napalm runs now leaves me in deep sorrow. I go into very deep depression every time I see any old newsreels of napalm in Nam and wonder if that was me dropping it in the picture. I often try to see if I can find the tail number on the plane and hope I do not see 0691
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Old 05-15-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Sorry I have not laid a single finger upon another human since I accepted Islam and the majority of us do accept that it is forbidden for us to impose our belief upon others.

Surah 2 ayyat 156: Let there be no compulsion in religion

The only time I ever took another life was while I was Christian and in combat. Looking back and remembering the body counts the recon flights made after I made my straffing and napalm runs now leaves me in deep sorrow. I go into very deep depression every time I see any old newsreels of napalm in Nam and wonder if that was me dropping it in the picture. I often try to see if I can find the tail number on the plane and hope I do not see 0691
peace be upon you my brother in ISLAM I ASK ALLAH PROTECT US FROM WRONG -DEVIL AND HELL AND FORGIVE FOR US AND ALL MUSLIM PEOPLE OF SINS AMEN
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Old 05-15-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Christians no longer do that, but Muslims continue to kill those that don't subscribe to their beliefs.
Perhaps one day you can come with me as I walk around on The Cheyenne River Reservation, Pine Ridge Oglala Sioux Reservation, Crow Creek, Rosebud or Standing Rock. Perhaps one day you can visit my Lakotah and Nakotah friends who live in Mandan.

Perhaps you can be Native American as my wife is and walk through the fine Christian Cities of Faith, Sturgis and Bismarck.

Come to any of the Good church run reservation schools and listen to the history lessons taught to the children and see how the wasichu want to ban all use of the Lakotah language.

Come to Pine Ridge and look into the eyes of the all too common raped teen aged girls whose attackers feel secure in knowing they will be free from prosecution because there is nothing wrong with raping a barbarian.

Come visit Wounded Knee and learn the second massacre of Wounded knee took place in 1973. Listen to the Grandchildren of those killed in the first Massacre of Cankpe Opi Wakpala (Wounded Knee) in 1890. We are not talking ancient history, we are speaking of events still fresh in the memories of the Cheyenne, Lakotah, Nakotah, Dakotah and Makotah.

Come visit Leonard Peltier in prison and learn what he thinks of the wasichu.

Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) was murdered in 1890, His grandson and Great grandson still live on Standing rock not far from me..the memories of the genocide of the Lakotah are still fresh .

Crow Creek, Pine Ridge and Cheyenne River are not reservations they are concentration camps. They are to the Lakotah what Gaza is to the Palestinians. the only difference is the Lakotah are decimated and only a small number are left and the genocide is being finished with the destruction of their language.
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Old 05-15-2011, 09:07 PM
 
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Come to Pine Ridge and look into the eyes of the all too common raped teen aged girls whose attackers feel secure in knowing they will be free from prosecution because there is nothing wrong with raping a barbarian.
Come visit Wounded Knee and learn the second massacre of Wounded knee took place in 1973. Listen to the Grandchildren of those killed in the first Massacre of Cankpe Opi Wakpala (Wounded Knee) in 1890. We are not talking ancient history, we are speaking of events still fresh in the memories of the Cheyenne, Lakotah, Nakotah, Dakotah and Makotah.
Come visit Leonard Peltier in prison and learn what he thinks of the wasichu.
Tatanka-Iyotanka (Sitting Bull) was murdered in 1890, His grandson and Great grandson still live on Standing rock not far from me..the memories of the genocide of the Lakotah are still fresh.
Crow Creek, Pine Ridge and Cheyenne River are not reservations they are concentration camps. They are to the Lakotah what Gaza is to the Palestinians. the only difference is the Lakotah are decimated and only a small number are left and the genocide is being finished with the destruction of their language.
Are you claiming these things were done in the name of Christ . . . like your Muslim barbarians do in the name of Allah??? You can't be serious! There is no comparison whatsoever. Evil exists and is despicable . . . but evil in the name of your Allah is particularly heinous.
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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Are you claiming these things were done in the name of Christ . . . like your Muslim barbarians do in the name of Allah??? You can't be serious! There is no comparison whatsoever. Evil exists and is despicable . . . but evil in the name of your Allah is particularly heinous.
here is verses from qoran for you see
in the name of ALLAH THE MOST MERCIFUL

1. Ha Mim.
2. The revelation of the Book is from Allah the Exalted in power, Full of Wisdom.
3. Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe.
4. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered (through the earth), are Signs for those of assured Faith.
5. And in the alternation of Night and Day, and the fact that Allah sends down Sustenance from the sky, and revives therewith the earth after its death, and the change of the winds― are Signs for those that are wise.
6. Such are the Signs of Allah, which We rehearse to thee in truth: then in what exposition will they believe after (rejecting) Allah and His Signs?
7. Woe to each sinful dealer in Falsehoods:
8. He hears the Signs of Allah rehearsed to him, yet is obstinate and lofty, as if he had not heard them: then announce to him a Penalty Grievous!
9. And when he learns something of Our Signs, he takes them in jest: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty.
10. In front of them is Hell: and of no profit to them is anything they may have earned, nor any protectors they may have taken to themselves besides Allah: for them is a tremendous Penalty.
11. This is (true) Guidance: and for those who reject the Signs of their Lord, is a grievous Penalty of abomination.
12. It is Allah Who has subjected the sea to you, that ships may sail through it by His command, that ye may seek of His Bounty, and that ye may be grateful.
13. And He has subjected to you, as from Him, all that is in the heavens and on earth: behold in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect.
14. Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: it is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.
15. If anyone does a righteous deed, it ensures to the benefit of it own soul; if he does evil, it works against (his own soul). In the end will ye (all) be brought back to your Lord.
16. We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book, the Power of Command and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations.
17. And We granted them clear Signs in affairs (of Religion): it was only after knowledge had been granted to them that they fell into schisms, through insolent envy among themselves. Verily thy Lord will judge between them on the Day of Judgement as to those matters in which they set up differences.
18. Then We put thee on the (right) Way of Religion: so follow thou that (Way), and follow not the desires of those who know not.―
19. They will be of no use to thee in the sight of Allah: it is only Wrongdoers (that stand as) protectors one to another: but Allah is the Protector of the Righteous.
20. These are clear evidences to men, and a Guidance and Mercy to those of assured Faith.
21. What! Do those who seek after evil ways think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe and do righteous deeds― that equal will be their Life and their death? Ill is the judgment that they make.
22. Allah created the heavens and the earth for just ends, and in order that each soul may find the recompense of what it has earned, and none of them be wronged.
23. Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?
24. And they say: "What is there but our life in this world? We shall die and we live, and nothing but Time can destroy us." But of that they have no knowledge: they merely conjecture:
25. And when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, their argument is nothing but this: they say "Bring (back) our forefathers, if what ye say is true!"
26. Say: "It is Allah Who gives you life, then gives you death; then He will gather you together for the Day of Judgement about which there is no doubt": but most men do not understand.
27. To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and the Day that the Hour of Judgment is established― that Day will the dealers in Falsehood perish!
28. And thou wilt see every nation bowing the knee: every nation will be called to its Record: "This Day shall ye be recompensed for all that ye did!
29. "This Our Record speaks about you with truth: for We were wont to put on record all that ye did."
30. Then, as to those who believed and did righteous deeds, their Lord will admit them to His Mercy: that will be the Achievement for all to see.
31. But as to those who reject Allah, (to them will be said): "Were not Our Signs rehearsed to you? But ye were arrogant, and were a people given to sin!
32. "And when it was said that the promise of Allah was true, and that the Hour, there was no doubt about its (coming) ye used to say `We know not what is the Hour: we only think it is an idea, and we have no firm assurance.'"
33. Then will appear to them the evil (fruits) of what they did, and they will be completely encircled by that which they used to mock at!
34. It will also be said: "This Day We will forget you as ye forgot the meeting of this Day of yours! And your abode is the Fire, and no helpers have ye!
35. "This, because ye used to take the Signs of Allah in jest and the life of the world deceived you." (from) that Day, therefore, they shall not be taken out thence, nor shall they be received into Grace.
36. Then Praise be to Allah Lord of the heavens and Lord of the earth Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds!
37. To Him be Glory throughout the heavens and the earth: and He is Exalted in Power, Full of Wisdom!
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Are you claiming these things were done in the name of Christ . . . like your Muslim barbarians do in the name of Allah??? You can't be serious! There is no comparison whatsoever. Evil exists and is despicable . . . but evil in the name of your Allah is particularly heinous.
I am claiming things like that have been done by those who call themselves Christian. I accept you may not consider them Christian and I will accept that they do not meet your concept of what a Christian is or should be.

But what non-Christians see as Christian comes from those who call themselves Christian or did in the past. This is the view non-Christian get of who Christians are

The Crusaders during the Middle ages
The later Crusaders in the Baltic Nations
The Knights Templar
The Inquisition
The Salem Witch trials
The Missionaries in the Americas that decimated the native population
The KKK
The American Nazi Party
The IRA
The Abortion Clinic Bombers
Timothy McVey
Terry Jones
Jim Jones
The Westboro Baptist Church
Pedophile Priests in the Catholic Church
The Evangelical Fundies being pests in Non-Christian countries
the killing of innocents as "collateral" damage in the "War on Terror"
etc
etc

I agree that most if not all of those do not represent Christianity, but the fact is they are the view most non-Christians have of Christianity.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I am claiming things like that have been done by those who call themselves Christian. I accept you may not consider them Christian and I will accept that they do not meet your concept of what a Christian is or should be.

But what non-Christians see as Christian comes from those who call themselves Christian or did in the past. This is the view non-Christian get of who Christians are

The Crusaders during the Middle ages
The later Crusaders in the Baltic Nations
The Knights Templar
The Inquisition
The Salem Witch trials
The Missionaries in the Americas that decimated the native population
The KKK
The American Nazi Party
The IRA
The Abortion Clinic Bombers
Timothy McVey
Terry Jones
Jim Jones
The Westboro Baptist Church
Pedophile Priests in the Catholic Church
The Evangelical Fundies being pests in Non-Christian countries
the killing of innocents as "collateral" damage in the "War on Terror"
etc
etc

I agree that most if not all of those do not represent Christianity, but the fact is they are the view most non-Christians have of Christianity.
So how many of these events occurred this month?

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