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Old 05-28-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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Woodrow LI--from your prolific commentary throughout these threads, it is evident that you are a sincere and peaceful Muslim who is also willing to listen to what others have to say about Islam. So my question to you, asked in so many ways by others, is just WHY IS ISLAM the most violent and feared religion in the world? Only the Mexican drug wars rival the carnage that Islam has brought to modern society.
How modern are we talking about?

Just because the carnage is more reported does not mean it's a bigger problem.

What about the IRA?

The British governments forces response to the IRA

The severe and continued acts of violence and assault carried out by coalition forces, upon civilians in current war zones?

Right wing fundamentalists and other home grown terrorism? (Yes, there's plenty of it)

 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I suspect answering you will yield very little, but I don't have anything better to do at the moment...

Care to elaborate on your first statement, that Muhammad is the biggest influence of terror, and why exactly that is?

Have you actually read the Koran?

The media can show as many images of Muhammad as they wish, however, they generally choose to be sensitive to Muslims feelings on the matter or, to an extent, choose not to publish images of the prophet because they know it can spur volatile situations in unstable regions or amongst extremists.

Freedom of speech does not equal always exercising that right. Though one has a right to speak freely, using sound judgment is a virtue. The fact that some media outlets refrain from the use of imagery that can be perceived as offensive and/or ignite a volatile situation, even when the uproar is absolutely indefensible, is using that sound judgment, and the right thing to do.

Islam is not any more violent than Christianity, not today nor historically. (Don't forget about the crusades or the violations done by various churches in the past and present) Both religions have had violence and crimes perpetrated in it's name, that does not mean the religion itself is the problem.

Fundamentalist Islam and Islam extremism is a predominantly political and cultural issue, and violence perpetrated in it's name is rarely if ever condoned by Muslims as a whole.

The uproar one can experience when perceived attacks on Islam occur is not predominantly related to religion (which is evident by the fact that the majority of Muslims manage to handle it in a civil manner) but to cultural, societal and political reasons, and though it's never justifiable to take live or cause disrupt because someone burns a book or draws a picture of Muhammad, the reaction can be explained and to an extent, expected, so one should only do so when the situation calls for it.

In short, Islam should not bear the weight of actions wrongfully committed in it's name, nor should it be the held accountable for actions spurred on because of political and societal issues.




You also have coalition forces killing Iraqi civilians, both Christian and Muslim, yet there is very little focus on this, particularly in the US media outlets.

The militant branch of Hamas, views itself as the fighting force of an occupied people. Hamas is not unilaterally considered a terrorist organization, and their political wing democratically won elections that the US, amongst others had pushed for, only to not be recognized as the governing force by anyone but one other nation.

Their attacks on civilians should be condemned, but not to any other rate than IDF and Israeli settlers attacks on Palestinian civilians, or are you implying that a Jewish life is worth more than it's Muslim counterpart?

Islam is not a problem, there's no denying there are troublesome cultures in many Islam dominated countries though.

The media attention on Muslim extremism far surpasses it's importance, there is absolutely no getting around that.
Hatred and terrorism are our common enemies. I think each of us need to recognize that any hate group represents only them selves.They all seem to be of one religion even if they use names such as Tamil, al-Qaida, National Liberation Front of Tripura, KKK, Knights Templar, etc

Terrorists worship only hate and destruction. When a man starts to hate even one man or group, he is taking the first steps to being a terrorist.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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The media doesn't tell you the truth, that the biggest influence of Islammic terrorism is Muhammad. The media hasn't been telling the truth about how it is the Koran that causes all the problems. THe media hasn't done enough as far as pointing out who is responsible for all the violence, and actually covers up for Islam and Muhammad . The media isn't allowed to show an image of him anywhere. He is not allowed to be portrayed as the mass murdering antisemite, antichrist, antireligious that he is. Islam is always portrayed as a "peaceful" religion, when it is very much NOT.


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Old 05-28-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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Muhammad spews hatred for Jews IN THE KORAN.
He spews hatred for towards Christians IN THE KORAN.
He pillages, murders, rapes, and takes people into slavery IN THE KORAN.
He has fantasies of being with children IN THE KORAN.
He had sex with children IN THE KORAN.
The Crusaders acted a LOT like Muhammad OF THE KORAN.
And were likely brought to extremes BECAUSE OF THE KORAN.
The terrorists hate and kill BECAUSE OF THE KORAN.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:54 PM
 
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I suspect answering you will yield very little, but I don't have anything better to do at the moment...

Care to elaborate on your first statement, that Muhammad is the biggest influence of terror, and why exactly that is?

Have you actually read the Koran?

The media can show as many images of Muhammad as they wish, however, they generally choose to be sensitive to Muslims feelings on the matter or, to an extent, choose not to publish images of the prophet because they know it can spur volatile situations in unstable regions or amongst extremists.

Freedom of speech does not equal always exercising that right. Though one has a right to speak freely, using sound judgment is a virtue. The fact that some media outlets refrain from the use of imagery that can be perceived as offensive and/or ignite a volatile situation, even when the uproar is absolutely indefensible, is using that sound judgment, and the right thing to do.

Islam is not any more violent than Christianity, not today nor historically. (Don't forget about the crusades or the violations done by various churches in the past and present) Both religions have had violence and crimes perpetrated in it's name, that does not mean the religion itself is the problem.

Fundamentalist Islam and Islam extremism is a predominantly political and cultural issue, and violence perpetrated in it's name is rarely if ever condoned by Muslims as a whole.

The uproar one can experience when perceived attacks on Islam occur is not predominantly related to religion (which is evident by the fact that the majority of Muslims manage to handle it in a civil manner) but to cultural, societal and political reasons, and though it's never justifiable to take live or cause disrupt because someone burns a book or draws a picture of Muhammad, the reaction can be explained and to an extent, expected, so one should only do so when the situation calls for it.

In short, Islam should not bear the weight of actions wrongfully committed in it's name, nor should it be the held accountable for actions spurred on because of political and societal issues.




You also have coalition forces killing Iraqi civilians, both Christian and Muslim, yet there is very little focus on this, particularly in the US media outlets.

The militant branch of Hamas, views itself as the fighting force of an occupied people. Hamas is not unilaterally considered a terrorist organization, and their political wing democratically won elections that the US, amongst others had pushed for, only to not be recognized as the governing force by anyone but one other nation.

Their attacks on civilians should be condemned, but not to any other rate than IDF and Israeli settlers attacks on Palestinian civilians, or are you implying that a Jewish life is worth more than it's Muslim counterpart?

Islam is not a problem, there's no denying there are troublesome cultures in many Islam dominated countries though.

The media attention on Muslim extremism far surpasses it's importance, there is absolutely no getting around that.

They are bravely fighting against those people that murder innocent people BECAUSE OF MUHAMMAD AND THE KORAN. THey are giving their lives to try and free those countries ruled by brutal dictators that LOVE MUHAMMAD, AND TAKE HIM TO INFLUENCE.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Muhammad spews hatred for Jews IN THE KORAN.
He spews hatred for towards Christians IN THE KORAN.
He pillages, murders, rapes, and takes people into slavery IN THE KORAN.
He has fantasies of being with children IN THE KORAN.
He had sex with children IN THE KORAN.
The Crusaders acted a LOT like Muhammad OF THE KORAN.
And were likely brought to extremes BECAUSE OF THE KORAN.
The terrorists hate and kill BECAUSE OF THE KORAN.
In the bible it says you can kill your wife if she has sex with a horse.

...Does that mean Christians of today hate women and farm animals?
 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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They are fighting against those people that murder innocent people BECAUSE OF THE KORAN.
The Koran is not the reason extremists kill, it's the excuse. There's a difference.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 04:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TheViking85 View Post
I suspect answering you will yield very little, but I don't have anything better to do at the moment...

Care to elaborate on your first statement, that Muhammad is the biggest influence of terror, and why exactly that is?

Have you actually read the Koran?

The media can show as many images of Muhammad as they wish, however, they generally choose to be sensitive to Muslims feelings on the matter or, to an extent, choose not to publish images of the prophet because they know it can spur volatile situations in unstable regions or amongst extremists.

Freedom of speech does not equal always exercising that right. Though one has a right to speak freely, using sound judgment is a virtue. The fact that some media outlets refrain from the use of imagery that can be perceived as offensive and/or ignite a volatile situation, even when the uproar is absolutely indefensible, is using that sound judgment, and the right thing to do.

Islam is not any more violent than Christianity, not today nor historically. (Don't forget about the crusades or the violations done by various churches in the past and present) Both religions have had violence and crimes perpetrated in it's name, that does not mean the religion itself is the problem.

Fundamentalist Islam and Islam extremism is a predominantly political and cultural issue, and violence perpetrated in it's name is rarely if ever condoned by Muslims as a whole.

The uproar one can experience when perceived attacks on Islam occur is not predominantly related to religion (which is evident by the fact that the majority of Muslims manage to handle it in a civil manner) but to cultural, societal and political reasons, and though it's never justifiable to take live or cause disrupt because someone burns a book or draws a picture of Muhammad, the reaction can be explained and to an extent, expected, so one should only do so when the situation calls for it.

In short, Islam should not bear the weight of actions wrongfully committed in it's name, nor should it be the held accountable for actions spurred on because of political and societal issues.




You also have coalition forces killing Iraqi civilians, both Christian and Muslim, yet there is very little focus on this, particularly in the US media outlets.

The militant branch of Hamas, views itself as the fighting force of an occupied people. Hamas is not unilaterally considered a terrorist organization, and their political wing democratically won elections that the US, amongst others had pushed for, only to not be recognized as the governing force by anyone but one other nation.

Their attacks on civilians should be condemned, but not to any other rate than IDF and Israeli settlers attacks on Palestinian civilians, or are you implying that a Jewish life is worth more than it's Muslim counterpart?

Islam is not a problem, there's no denying there are troublesome cultures in many Islam dominated countries though.

The media attention on Muslim extremism far surpasses it's importance, there is absolutely no getting around that.

THe Koran teaches that every other major religion is false, and teaches that it's cool to kill off Jewish husbands, brothers, and fathers, and take their wives, daughters, and sisters into sex slavery. THe crusades happened 500-600 years AFTER Islam practiced it's evil against the world.
 
Old 05-28-2011, 05:02 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TheViking85 View Post
I suspect answering you will yield very little, but I don't have anything better to do at the moment...

Care to elaborate on your first statement, that Muhammad is the biggest influence of terror, and why exactly that is?

Have you actually read the Koran?

The media can show as many images of Muhammad as they wish, however, they generally choose to be sensitive to Muslims feelings on the matter or, to an extent, choose not to publish images of the prophet because they know it can spur volatile situations in unstable regions or amongst extremists.

Freedom of speech does not equal always exercising that right. Though one has a right to speak freely, using sound judgment is a virtue. The fact that some media outlets refrain from the use of imagery that can be perceived as offensive and/or ignite a volatile situation, even when the uproar is absolutely indefensible, is using that sound judgment, and the right thing to do.

Islam is not any more violent than Christianity, not today nor historically. (Don't forget about the crusades or the violations done by various churches in the past and present) Both religions have had violence and crimes perpetrated in it's name, that does not mean the religion itself is the problem.

Fundamentalist Islam and Islam extremism is a predominantly political and cultural issue, and violence perpetrated in it's name is rarely if ever condoned by Muslims as a whole.

The uproar one can experience when perceived attacks on Islam occur is not predominantly related to religion (which is evident by the fact that the majority of Muslims manage to handle it in a civil manner) but to cultural, societal and political reasons, and though it's never justifiable to take live or cause disrupt because someone burns a book or draws a picture of Muhammad, the reaction can be explained and to an extent, expected, so one should only do so when the situation calls for it.

In short, Islam should not bear the weight of actions wrongfully committed in it's name, nor should it be the held accountable for actions spurred on because of political and societal issues.




You also have coalition forces killing Iraqi civilians, both Christian and Muslim, yet there is very little focus on this, particularly in the US media outlets.

The militant branch of Hamas, views itself as the fighting force of an occupied people. Hamas is not unilaterally considered a terrorist organization, and their political wing democratically won elections that the US, amongst others had pushed for, only to not be recognized as the governing force by anyone but one other nation.

Their attacks on civilians should be condemned, but not to any other rate than IDF and Israeli settlers attacks on Palestinian civilians, or are you implying that a Jewish life is worth more than it's Muslim counterpart?

Islam is not a problem, there's no denying there are troublesome cultures in many Islam dominated countries though.

The media attention on Muslim extremism far surpasses it's importance, there is absolutely no getting around that.

If this is true, then why do you wish peace apon a known mass murderer, plunderer, thief, rapist, slave keeper, and pedophile?
 
Old 05-28-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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THe Koran teaches that every other major religion is false, and teaches that it's cool to kill off Jewish husbands, brothers, and fathers, and take their wives, daughters, and sisters into sex slavery. THe crusades happened 500-600 years AFTER Islam practiced it's evil against the world.
The constitution says that Black people are worth less than white people.

does that meant that those who like the constitution today are racist, or could it be an indication of the era it was written?

Mormons also believe they are the one true church, even within Christianity. They used to condone polygamy, refuse black people having official roles in the church, would allow child marriages. Does that mean that Mormons of today should be judge based on that?

I believe all religion is false, does that make me the biggest terrorist of all?

Why do you neglect all the parts of the Koran that speaks of peace, respect and being polite to guests and others who don't believe what you believe?

Again: Have you actually read the Koran?
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