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Old 05-31-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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Sorry but it was not Palestine then and the bible is not a history book. The whole middle east is one of a history of peoples moving from one place to another. The United States was inhabited by native americans long before the Europeans came. So I guess all the Europeans ought to leave and go back to Europe.

Actually the Jews and Palestinians are both semetic peoples and are more related then not related.

But the Palestinians are not the original inhabitants.
The Romans called the land Palestine. The original Palestinians called it Falistin. (Philistine in the Bible) The original people were the Caaninites and Philistines.

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The origin of the Palestinians and the land called Israel (or Palestine as called by Romans) and who should “own” the land. A brief history look at the modern day Palestinian-Israeli conflict.



The Palestinians are the modern day descendants of two ancient civilizations – the Canaanites and the Philistines. According to early history and the Bible, the present day land was called the Land of Canaan and the Canaanites ruled the area. Their society was fragmented with a city-state-like structure where each area or city had it own king with political and religious duties. The Canaanites came to power at around 3,000 BCE but their kingdom systematically fell to invasion from ancient Israelis freed from their bondage in Egypt.
The Philistines came into the land at around 1200 BCE and mainly lived near the southern coastal plains (near present day Gaza). Both the Philistines and Canaanites were considered “pagans” by Jews, Christianities and Muslims because of their polytheistic beliefs. Later, following the arrival of the Jews, many converted to Judaism and centuries later to Christianity. The Israelis took up residence in the land at around 1000 BCE and with a fierce military conquest, established the longest lasting dynasty in the Middle East. However, the identity of the Hebrew people itself is as indigenous to the land as the identity of the Palestinians or their ancestors. At the time of around 610 AD (C.E.), almost 1600 years later, most of Palestine was either Christian or Jewish and the most widely used language was Aramaic and Hebrew. This territory remained in the lands of the Jews for the better part of the 1600 years until the Roman invasions and later the Byzantine Empire. All of this changed with the rise of Islam in 600s AD and shortly after the death of the Prophet Mohammad, the Arabs started


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Old 05-31-2011, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Amen! The Islamist apologists remind me of the husband caught in bed with two women by his wife proclaiming his innocence and asking her whether she was going to believe him or her eyes! This religion of peace nonsense has no traction because it is not true. Those societies professing to be Islamic are intellectually and culturally barbaric. The Dark Ages barely covers it.

Your view for the Muslims It seems superficial ,the Islamic religion the more universal, why despite the propaganda and media raised against Islam and muslims it still Most embrace in America and Europe
 
Old 05-31-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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The Canaanites were the original inahbitants of the Holy Land, not the Jews. Thus their offspring would be the lawful owners, not just the Jews who conquered their territory as the Europeans conquered the Native American lands.

Israel's requiring the original inhabitants to live on reservations and denying them access to their native land is very similar to the practice in America of requiring Native Americans to live on reservations.
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The Romans called the land Palestine. The original Palestinians called it Falistin. (Philistine in the Bible) The original people were the Caaninites and Philistines.
This historicity is pointless unless you can overcome the problem of proving that the modern day Palestinians are in fact their descendants. Given the intervening Arabic conquest . . . it is far more likely that they are simply descendants of those Arabs . . . which means of the two modern groups today the Jews are the ones kicked out by conquest . . . not the Palestinians.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Christianity and Islam have nothing in common.... Nothing...
Islam is an upstart that has taken from Judaism and Christianity...

How do you say that Islam has taken from Judaism and Christianity and Torah and the Gospel was revealed in Syriac language, While the Koran was revealed in Arabic!!!!!!!


Christianity is now a peaceful faith which works in many ways in interfaith dialogue......

Go back to the texts of the Torah and the Gospel

The idea of a caliphate is Muslim...

It would be interesting if you went over to the Christianity forum and brought up your views of a Christian Caliphate on earth and see what the responses would be....


But I doubt you would dare do that because even if I don't agree with Christians or Christianity some of the time I do know that they would heartily disagree with you..

Christians themselves are know that jesus will return to earth again and Which denies the return of Christ are the Jews only Because they Think killed him
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Originally Posted by Jazzymom View Post
Sorry but it was not Palestine then and the bible is not a history book. The whole middle east is one of a history of peoples moving from one place to another. The United States was inhabited by native americans long before the Europeans came. So I guess all the Europeans ought to leave and go back to Europe.

Actually the Jews and Palestinians are both semetic peoples and are more related then not related.

But the Palestinians are not the original inhabitants.

Did not you read the history ?

pleas see this:



YouTube - ‪The Original Inhabitants of Palestine??‬‏
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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The Romans called the land Palestine. The original Palestinians called it Falistin. (Philistine in the Bible) The original people were the Caaninites and Philistines.

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The origin of the Palestinians and the land called Israel (or Palestine as called by Romans) and who should “own” the land. A brief history look at the modern day Palestinian-Israeli conflict.



The Palestinians are the modern day descendants of two ancient civilizations – the Canaanites and the Philistines. According to early history and the Bible, the present day land was called the Land of Canaan and the Canaanites ruled the area. Their society was fragmented with a city-state-like structure where each area or city had it own king with political and religious duties. The Canaanites came to power at around 3,000 BCE but their kingdom systematically fell to invasion from ancient Israelis freed from their bondage in Egypt.
The Philistines came into the land at around 1200 BCE and mainly lived near the southern coastal plains (near present day Gaza). Both the Philistines and Canaanites were considered “pagans” by Jews, Christianities and Muslims because of their polytheistic beliefs. Later, following the arrival of the Jews, many converted to Judaism and centuries later to Christianity. The Israelis took up residence in the land at around 1000 BCE and with a fierce military conquest, established the longest lasting dynasty in the Middle East. However, the identity of the Hebrew people itself is as indigenous to the land as the identity of the Palestinians or their ancestors. At the time of around 610 AD (C.E.), almost 1600 years later, most of Palestine was either Christian or Jewish and the most widely used language was Aramaic and Hebrew. This territory remained in the lands of the Jews for the better part of the 1600 years until the Roman invasions and later the Byzantine Empire. All of this changed with the rise of Islam in 600s AD and shortly after the death of the Prophet Mohammad, the Arabs started


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Old 05-31-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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The land was called Judea and it was the land of the Jews. After the Bar Kochbah revolt the Romans massacred and exiled the surviving Jews from Jerusalem and under pain of death they were not allowed back. The Romans also changed the name to Palestine.

It was not palestine before that and there were no Palestinians or Muslims or Arabs there.

The majority population was Jewish..
 
Old 05-31-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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I do belong to a few Christian forums and am friends in real life with several Christian ministers including 2 Bishops one Catholic and one Methodist. Often have interesting but peaceful debates with them.

About 6 years ago I was the administrator of a Christian forum and was very anti-Islam. In my 65 years as a non-Muslim I saw much similarity between a true Caliphate and the return of Jesus(PBUH)

If you are curious you can read what is basically my life story here. Which I wrote covering 3 phases of my life:

A LONG JOURNEY

yes, Christians Waiting the return of Jesus peace be upon him but we as muslims Waiting to a true Caliphate (Mhdi)as he stated in Sunan Abu Daodd, and the return of Jesus peace be upon him

My dear brother, I am interested to read the story your Islam

may Allah Make you steadfast in Islam
 
Old 05-31-2011, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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This historicity is pointless unless you can overcome the problem of proving that the modern day Palestinians are in fact their descendants. Given the intervening Arabic conquest . . . it is far more likely that they are simply descendants of those Arabs . . . which means of the two modern groups today the Jews are the ones kicked out by conquest . . . not the Palestinians.
That actually seems doubtful for several reasons. The first being the Arabs have always been a very small race and the Arabs themselves as a group have not spread much beyond the Arabian Peninsula. In nearly ever Nation that became Muslim the race is still predominantly the race of the original occupants.

For Example North Africa was predominately Berber and Moor, which it still is.

Also there seems to be some physical differences between Arabs and Palestinians. the Palestinians seem to be taller, lighter skinned, more slender and with thinner facial hair than the Arabs.

You also have another Problem, the Jews of today that occupy Israel are mostly of non-Hebrew Heritage. the largest number come from Russian converts to Judaism that eventually became the Polish and German Jews. Very few Jews of today have any direct blood links to the Hebrews. The link is one of religion and not of blood.

For example:

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Early History

In the seventh century many Jews from Greece, Babylonia, Persia, and the Middle East and Mediterranean area immigrated to the Caucasus and beyond. From the early Middle Ages, Jewish merchants (known in Hebrew as holkhei Rusyah – Russian travelers) traveled through the Slavic and Khazar lands on their way to India and China. During the first half of the eighth century, the Khazar’s converted to Judaism. The Khazar kingdom essentially became a new Jewish kingdom. Some scholars trace the origins of Ashkenazi Jews to the conversion of the Khazars. The influence of the Khazar conversions are significant enough to be a major topic of research for scholars today.
The kingdom of Jewish Khazars is referred to in ancient Russian literature as the “Land of the Jews.” There were also Jews living in Kiev at this time and ancient Russian sources mention the “Gate of the Jews” in Kiev. Historical records preserve disputations between the Jews of Kiev and Christian clergy. There are also records of communications between Jews in Kiev and Jews in Babylonia and Western Europe, including, in the 12th century, a mention of R. Moses of Kiev corresponding with Rabbenu Jacob ben Meir Tam and Gaon Samuel b. Ali of Baghdad. In 1237, however, the invasion of the Mongols brought much suffering to the Jewish communities of Russia.




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The Ashkenazi are the majority of Jews in Israel.

An interesting side note:

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The new analysis shows that Jewish ancestry reflects a mosaic of genetic sources. While earlier studies focused on the Middle Eastern component of Jewish DNA, new research has revealed that both Europeans and Central Asians also made significant genetic contributions to Jewish ancestry. Moreover, while the DNA studies have confirmed the close genetic interrelatedness of many Jewish communities, they have also confirmed what many suspected all along: Jews do not constitute a single group distinct from all others. Rather, modern Jews exhibit a diversity of genetic profiles, some reflective of their Semitic/Mediterranean ancestry, but others suggesting an origin in European and Central Asian groups. The blending of European, Semitic, Central Asian and Mediterranean heritage over the centuries has led to today’s Jewish populations.
SOURCE

It seems the Jews of Israel have very little Mideastern heritage.
 
Old 05-31-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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That actually seems doubtful for several reasons. The first being the Arabs have always been a very small race and the Arabs themselves as a group have not spread much beyond the Arabian Peninsula. In nearly ever Nation that became Muslim the race is still predominantly the race of the original occupants.

For Example North Africa was predominately Berber and Moor, which it still is.

Also there seems to be some physical differences between Arabs and Palestinians. the Palestinians seem to be taller, lighter skinned, more slender and with thinner facial hair than the Arabs.

You also have another Problem, the Jews of today that occupy Israel are mostly of non-Hebrew Heritage. the largest number come from Russian converts to Judaism that eventually became the Polish and German Jews. Very few Jews of today have any direct blood links to the Hebrews. The link is one of religion and not of blood.

For example:


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SOURCE


The Ashkenazi are the majority of Jews in Israel.

An interesting side note:



SOURCE

It seems the Jews of Israel have very little Mideastern heritage.
Yet they and Palestinians share much of the same semitic DNA.... go figure but you go ahead deny the truth...

And many of those semetic Jews who live in Israel do not look much different then the other semitic populations of the middle east....

Jews have a long history in the middle east and communities that have been in existance for 1000s of years..

Communities in Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon. Jews of the middle east absolutely are semitic.
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