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Old 05-29-2011, 01:33 AM
 
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The Armenian genocide had a strong element of nationalism or maybe anti-nationalism. I don't think it can precisely, or at least not entirely, be blamed on Islam.

Although giving Jewish people New York instead of Israel is fundamentally absurd so probably not a real suggestion. The US was on the winning side in both World Wars. The winners don't give up land, land millions of people live in as New York was big even in WWI, because a people thousands of miles away are mistreated. That pretty much never happens.

Palestine had been ruled by the Ottomans, as I recall, and as they were the losers in WWI the British took some of their land as the Mandate of Palestine. Possibly they could have taken something else from Germany or Austria-Hungary to make into a Jewish state. Like British Cameroons or Slovenia. Of course then the Cameroonians or Slovenians would have been angry about their land being taken and given to foreigners. (Although Slovenia had Jews, I'm pretty sure, so they wouldn't have been precisely foreign)

It might make more sense to be mad at the British then, if you really think on it, as they're the ones who really took Muslim lands (not just Palestine) and made some odd deals with corrupt leaders. However I suppose Israelis are there and the British aren't, except for whatever Brits remain in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 
Old 05-29-2011, 02:15 AM
 
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The Armenian genocide had a strong element of nationalism or maybe anti-nationalism. I don't think it can precisely, or at least not entirely, be blamed on Islam.
True. But my point remains. Muslims -- especially groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and Al Qeda are stoking the fires of genocide against Israel. You don't have to search very hard to find that sort of rhetoric.

One bit from the Hamas charter sounds just as delusional and genocidal as Meine Kamf : "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!”

It all starts with a few tall tales and stupid conspiracy theories about Jews.

The Armenian Holocaust is a black mark on Islam even if it was entirely contradictory to the teachings of Islam. And the anti-Semitic racist garbage coming from a lot of Muslims out there shows me that they as a religious movement have not learned anything from their history.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 04:21 AM
 
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Wow, they (Israel) are in trouble! What will they do

Well, I guess they'll have to find another diplomat...

maybe
 
Old 05-29-2011, 05:01 AM
 
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Then the Muslims took Constantinople the greatest Christian city in the world. Once this unbeatable fortress finally fell in 1453 -- to add insult to injury -- the Turks made it their capital.
It's ironic how you mention it (Muslims took Constantinople the greatest Christian city in the world ...etc ).
Because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us that so many years ago before it really happened & as u said it did happened ..wooo !!!
Read :
You will invade the Arabian Peninsula and God will grant it. Then Persia and God will grant it. Then you shall invade Europe and God will grant it. Then you shall attack the Anti-Christ and God shall give you over to him.” The Messenger of God (Muhammad) was then asked, “Which of the two cities will be conquered first, Constantinople or Europe?” and the Holy Prophet replied: “The city of Constantinople will be conquered first” .
He alsao said that Israel will be destroyed by the hands of Muslims & they will expel the Zionists from Jerusalem .
Every thing he told us will happen did happened the exact same thing .
guess who was right before & who will be right again as always !!
*******

This is a picture of those who died due to infectious diseases they were burned and buried in mass graves to Prevent the disease from spreading .
So just stop lying to the world for god sake !
Didn't you had enough of extorting the world in the name of the holocaust!

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Old 05-29-2011, 05:05 AM
 
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It's ironic how you mention it (Muslims took Constantinople the greatest Christian city in the world ...etc ).
Because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us that so many years ago before it really happened & as u said it did happened ..wooo !!!
Read :
You will invade the Arabian Peninsula and God will grant it. Then Persia and God will grant it. Then you shall invade Europe and God will grant it. Then you shall attack the Anti-Christ and God shall give you over to him.” The Messenger of God (Muhammad) was then asked, “Which of the two cities will be conquered first, Constantinople or Europe?” and the Holy Prophet replied: “The city of Constantinople will be conquered first” .
He alsao said that Israel will be destroyed by the hands of Muslims & they will expel the Zionists from Jerusalem .
Every thing he told us will happen did happened the exact same thing .
guess who was right before & who will be right again as always !!
Umm interesting tack to take. "Muhammad predicted the violence and conquest his people would do, that's part of why he's great/true."

Also where in the Qur'an or Hadith is this quote?
 
Old 05-29-2011, 05:40 AM
 
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The Armenian genocide had a strong element of nationalism or maybe anti-nationalism. I don't think it can precisely, or at least not entirely, be blamed on Islam.

Although giving Jewish people New York instead of Israel is fundamentally absurd so probably not a real suggestion. The US was on the winning side in both World Wars. The winners don't give up land, land millions of people live in as New York was big even in WWI, because a people thousands of miles away are mistreated. That pretty much never happens.

Palestine had been ruled by the Ottomans, as I recall, and as they were the losers in WWI the British took some of their land as the Mandate of Palestine. Possibly they could have taken something else from Germany or Austria-Hungary to make into a Jewish state. Like British Cameroons or Slovenia. Of course then the Cameroonians or Slovenians would have been angry about their land being taken and given to foreigners. (Although Slovenia had Jews, I'm pretty sure, so they wouldn't have been precisely foreign)

It might make more sense to be mad at the British then, if you really think on it, as they're the ones who really took Muslim lands (not just Palestine) and made some odd deals with corrupt leaders. However I suppose Israelis are there and the British aren't, except for whatever Brits remain in Iraq and Afghanistan.

you know Thomas, We Muslims know Palestinian history, the issue is occupation,They were just looking for a national homeland for the Jews When was Palestine fell under the British Mandate so Zionists Exploited to achieve their goals, Otherwise (Hernzel) In his book "The Jewish State" was nominated several countries such as Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Canada and the Zionists for that they stimulate United States and Europe's Jews were linked with History of the Jews there ,it just Exploit the idea for the occupation and the expulsion of its people, Where the Kingdom of Solomon, which they claim!!!!

and The idea of ​​the terrorist occupation of the Nile to the Euphrates viz they want to Occupation of Arab States

that was a small part of the story
 
Old 05-29-2011, 06:10 AM
 
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Maybe if we Muslims talk about Zionism would be considered as Partial in the eyes of non-Muslims but many of jews agree with us ...


see these :

Israeli Jewish man says Zionism is the cause of the problems


YouTube - ‪Israeli Jewish man says Zionism is the cause of the problems‬‏


Somthing your Zionist media wont tell you...


YouTube - ‪Somthing your Zionist media wont tell you...‬‏
 
Old 05-29-2011, 06:43 AM
 
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Umm interesting tack to take. "Muhammad predicted the violence and conquest his people would do, that's part of why he's great/true."

Also where in the Qur'an or Hadith is this quote?
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, vol. 4, p. 508. Also, see As-Silsilah as-Sahihah, vol. 1] .
Spreading the truth and justice to humanity sometimes needs to be done by force , However, At first it was necessary to spread the Islamic religion , back then the Muslims always offer Islam by word first .. greet Peace before using armed forces ... if they refuse then Muslims demand tribute in exchange for protection and freedom of religion ... if they refuse then Muslims Use force as the last option .
That was an interim strategy to Islam and not permanent .
Now we can spread Islam by so many other ways because the conditions now become different .
 
Old 05-29-2011, 06:47 AM
 
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Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, vol. 4, p. 508. Also, see As-Silsilah as-Sahihah, vol. 1] .
Spreading the truth and justice to humanity sometimes needs to be done by force , However, At first it was necessary to spread the Islamic religion , back then the Muslims always offer Islam by word first .. greet Peace before using armed forces ... if they refuse then Muslims demand tribute in exchange for protection and freedom of religion ... if they refuse then Muslims Use force as the last option .
That was an interim strategy to Islam and not permanent .
Now we can spread Islam by so many other ways because the conditions now become different .

I believe you are the first to actually admit that Islam has been spread under threat of death if one does not convert.....

Muslims are still violent when it comes to their religion....
 
Old 05-29-2011, 07:14 AM
 
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I believe you are the first to actually admit that Islam has been spread under threat of death if one does not convert.....

Muslims are still violent when it comes to their religion....

how said you that islam has been spread under threat of death ?
Convert to religions be by Spirit is not the body,none can force anyone to love something or dislike

example:

You can pretend that you are Muslim but in fact you are Jewish WHY IS THAT ? Because the SOUL was not convert to Islam .

Muslims led the world in the golden age . they were not forced one to conversion to Islam

If Islam was spread by the sword then why even today is still millions of Jews and Christians all over the world

So, that is Refute Claimed that Islam was spread by under threat of death
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