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Old 05-29-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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I believe you are the first to actually admit that Islam has been spread under threat of death if one does not convert.....

Muslims are still violent when it comes to their religion....
I thught my problem was in English language and yours was in understanding ... I was wrong at least about u !!
I said "spread" the word of Islam ... not "force" anyone to converts to islam .
There is a big difference ...
It seems to me that you deliberately choose not to understand or in other word "Pretends" not to understand the difference .
For my words is as clear as the sun in broad daylight

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Old 05-29-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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This is a picture of those who died due to infectious diseases they were burned and buried in mass graves to Prevent the disease from spreading .
So just stop lying to the world for god sake !
Didn't you had enough of extorting the world in the name of the holocaust!
If you want to repeat an atrocity like the Armenian Holocaust or the Jewish Holocaust, a very important first step is to deny that either one ever happened. The Muslims of the world are getting better and better at doing just that.

And as we've seen with Hitler, by having an overpowering sense of superiority - be it national or religious or ethnic or whatever - you can get people to do horrible things.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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[quote=weaam;19356202]how said you that islam has been spread under threat of death ?
Convert to religions be by Spirit is not the body,none can force anyone to love something or dislike

I was responding to this:

Originally Posted by squall-lionheart
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak, vol. 4, p. 508. Also, see As-Silsilah as-Sahihah, vol. 1] .
Spreading the truth and justice to humanity sometimes needs to be done by force , However, At first it was necessary to spread the Islamic religion , back then the Muslims always offer Islam by word first .. greet Peace before using armed forces ... if they refuse then Muslims demand tribute in exchange for protection and freedom of religion ... if they refuse then Muslims Use force as the last option .
That was an interim strategy to Islam and not permanent .
Now we can spread Islam by so many other ways because the conditions now become different .


example:

You can pretend that you are Muslim but in fact you are Jewish WHY IS THAT ? Because the SOUL was not convert to Islam .

Never did I ever say I was a Muslim, I am Jewish and I have a Jewish soul.

Muslims led the world in the golden age . they were not forced one to conversion to Islam

The golden age is about the only thing Muslims can claim and the only time they coexisted with others.... To bad it didn't last..

If Islam was spread by the sword then why even today is still millions of Jews and Christians all over the world

So, that is Refute Claimed that Islam was spread by under threat of death

Historically we all know it was spread by the sword.... Islam is a very violent religion....
 
Old 05-29-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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It's ironic how you mention it (Muslims took Constantinople the greatest Christian city in the world ...etc ).
Because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us that so many years ago before it really happened & as u said it did happened ..wooo !!!
Read :
You will invade the Arabian Peninsula and God will grant it. Then Persia and God will grant it. Then you shall invade Europe and God will grant it. Then you shall attack the Anti-Christ and God shall give you over to him.” The Messenger of God (Muhammad) was then asked, “Which of the two cities will be conquered first, Constantinople or Europe?” and the Holy Prophet replied: “The city of Constantinople will be conquered first” .
He alsao said that Israel will be destroyed by the hands of Muslims & they will expel the Zionists from Jerusalem .
Every thing he told us will happen did happened the exact same thing .
guess who was right before & who will be right again as always !!
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This is a picture of those who died due to infectious diseases they were burned and buried in mass graves to Prevent the disease from spreading .
So just stop lying to the world for god sake !
Didn't you had enough of extorting the world in the name of the holocaust!

That is a picture of human who were massacred because they were Jews....

You need to get your history straight....

6 million Jews were killed because they were Jews....

12 million people were killed by Hitler....
 
Old 05-29-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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But the problem is who had the right to divide the Nation. It really would have been better if we had given the Jews, New York State.

I do have sympathy for the Jews and wish a peaceful accord had come about in 1947.

However, I see it no different from the Lakotah reservation I live on. The white man came and said here 3/4s of this land is now for the settlers, but out of generosity we will give you the unproductive badlands as a gift and your new home. We are now 2 nations living side by side, aren't you happy?
It was a territory and the British controlled it and the UNITED NATIONS voted and the majority of un membership voted for a state for the Jewish people.

Thus the state was formed. You could be mad at Great Britain, or the UN, or the states who voted for the state to be formed.

But Israel is a fact on the ground and that won't change...

Muslims, and Palestinian need to just get over it....

Really....

Palestinians need to work on forming a state and living in peace and prosperity...

The land was to be divided into Arab Palestine and Jewish Palestine. Two states side by side.

The difference is that Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews. The united States was never the historic homeland of the Europeans.

What the Europeans did was awful.

Does that mean that all those of European descent should go back to Europe? I think not.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 02:16 PM
 
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It was a territory and the British controlled it and the UNITED NATIONS voted and the majority of un membership voted for a state for the Jewish people.

Thus the state was formed. You could be mad at Great Britain, or the UN, or the states who voted for the state to be formed.

But Israel is a fact on the ground and that won't change...

Muslims, and Palestinian need to just get over it....

Really....

Palestinians need to work on forming a state and living in peace and prosperity...

The land was to be divided into Arab Palestine and Jewish Palestine. Two states side by side.

The difference is that Israel is the historic homeland of the Jews. The united States was never the historic homeland of the Europeans.

What the Europeans did was awful.

Does that mean that all those of European descent should go back to Europe? I think not.
Nearly 5 years ago, an organization I belong to collected over 5 tones of things like school books, vitamin supplements, clothing and blankets. For the Children of Gaza. We sent the shipment to Israel escorted by 6 Palestinian JEWISH women, Israel refused the women admission into the country and confiscated the shipment. As best as I know it is now some place in Israel in storage.

Not all Palestinians are Muslim there are also Jewish and christian Palestinans. Before 1947 about 30% of the Palestians were Jewish and they also lost their land. Most eventuallymigrated to Iran and Morocco and a few to Austin Texas.

The name of the organization I belonged to was called Palestinian children's Welfare fund. Our goal was to help provide basic needs for all Palestinian children. Not just Muslim children. Israel constantly blocked every effort we made. Palestine/Israel conflict is not a religious conflict, although it has long been labelled as such. It is simply Palestinians wanting a return of what was theirs.

I do not know the solution. But their will not be one until all Palestinians Muslim, Jew, Christian and other, along with all Israelis Jew, Christian, Muslim and other, can come to agreement over what is just.

Both sides are using the religious differences card as an excuse. both sides need to have a desire for fairness and not just self concerns.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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Nearly 5 years ago, an organization I belong to collected over 5 tones of things like school books, vitamin supplements, clothing and blankets. For the Children of Gaza. We sent the shipment to Israel escorted by 6 Palestinian JEWISH women, Israel refused the women admission into the country and confiscated the shipment. As best as I know it is now some place in Israel in storage.

Not all Palestinians are Muslim there are also Jewish and christian Palestinans. Before 1947 about 30% of the Palestians were Jewish and they also lost their land. Most eventuallymigrated to Iran and Morocco and a few to Austin Texas.

The name of the organization I belonged to was called Palestinian children's Welfare fund. Our goal was to help provide basic needs for all Palestinian children. Not just Muslim children. Israel constantly blocked every effort we made. Palestine/Israel conflict is not a religious conflict, although it has long been labelled as such. It is simply Palestinians wanting a return of what was theirs.

I do not know the solution. But their will not be one until all Palestinians Muslim, Jew, Christian and other, along with all Israelis Jew, Christian, Muslim and other, can come to agreement over what is just.

Both sides are using the religious differences card as an excuse. both sides need to have a desire for fairness and not just self concerns.
I agree and I believe the ability to have shipment go through to Gaza has been lifted or relaxed.. But until Israel can be sure that arms are not being sent to Gaza there will always be scrutiny.

Again the issues would not be there if Hamas stopped sending rockets into Southern Israel.

There is always a response to an activity. Israel has a right to protect itself.

And yes I know not all Palestinians are Muslim but the majority are and I suspect the Palestinian Christians who could get out of Gaza did and I also suspect that most of the Palestinian Christians are in Israel proper.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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Nearly 5 years ago, an organization I belong to collected over 5 tones of things like school books, vitamin supplements, clothing and blankets. For the Children of Gaza. We sent the shipment to Israel escorted by 6 Palestinian JEWISH women, Israel refused the women admission into the country and confiscated the shipment. As best as I know it is now some place in Israel in storage.
It was probably the "things like AK47s, Explosives, Ammo, Machetes, Detonators, Electronics, Hand guns, and similar "things" hidden in among the over 5 tons of school books, vitamin supplements, clothing and blankets that caused just a minor bit of concern.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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It was probably the "things like AK47s, Explosives, Ammo, Machetes, Detonators, Electronics, Hand guns, and similar "things" hidden in among the over 5 tons of school books, vitamin supplements, clothing and blankets that caused just a minor bit of concern.
Perhaps it was the vitamin C capsules. Them things can go off unexpectedly.

PCWF was a joint effort between Jews and Muslims. Most of the volunteers were from Austin synagogues. No Shipped items were ever placed in sealed containers. We only used clear plastic wrap and always insisted that independent auditors and representatives from law enforcement inspected every item.

Many strange things happened. I am not a conspiracy theory advocate. But I do wish I someday find out the truth as to what caused the death of my friend Riad. I spoke to him the day before his death and he was in high spirits making future plans for PCWF.

Check these 2 links: LINK

LINK 2


To relate this back to the thread. I feel there are more political than religious that are the cause of the Palestine/Israel conflicts.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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I thught my problem was in English language and yours was in understanding ... I was wrong at least about u !!
I said "spread" the word of Islam ... not "force" anyone to converts to islam .
There is a big difference ...
It seems to me that you deliberately choose not to understand or in other word "Pretends" not to understand the difference .
For my words is as clear as the sun in broad daylight
Yes, but your words (and I guess you could back them as a legitimate Hadith) do point to Islam as a religion of conquest. I wasn't getting into forced conversion or not, just that you apparently agreed Islam spread by Muslims conquering people (if the conquered have full religious freedom this is still the case) and that Muhammad predicting this is a sign of his prophetic nature or his connection to God.

And I have to admit it's unusual to see any religion say that and many Muslims I've known avoid that talk. I know you may see it as inspiring. Many Muslims feel that rule by invading Muslims is good and increases justice in the world. However for non-Muslims that's just the statement of almost every imperialist force in history and thus it's no different from "White Man's Burden." I mean in India the British ended things like Thugees and widow-burning while in Africa they ended the slave trade. So white's could point to that, same as Muslims could point to being initially better to the Coptic people than the Byzantines were. Doesn't change that people are usually not excited to be conquered or uncritical of statements that being conquered is "for the best."

Although a difference is that "White Man's Burden" could at least be cited as a political/imperial slogan so more to blame on a nation or army than any religion. There's no text or quote religiously significant to Christians, At least not so far as I know, that promote "White Man's Burden" or even discuss conquering Ethiopia.
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