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Old 06-28-2011, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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There are times when lies can be forgiven. but the simple statement of saying they need to be forgiven indicates they are not right to do...
Those times when lying can be forgiven seem to be any time that a Muslim is dealing with a non-Muslim. And if the lies can be forgiven so easily, what is so wrong about the lying? Apparently, nothing.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:38 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Those times when lying can be forgiven seem to be any time that a Muslim is dealing with a non-Muslim. And if the lies can be forgiven so easily, what is so wrong about the lying? Apparently, nothing.
We don't get off that easy. In order to be foriven we must be sincere in our asking for forgiveness and part of that requires us to seek out any harm oursin has caused and makes satisfactory restitution to any person we have hamed, along with doing our best to give the person or people we have harmed, reason to forgive us.Being forgiven does not automatically remove us from punishment, we may still be required to face some form and level of punishment to be sincere in asking for forgiveness.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:52 PM
 
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We don't get off that easy. In order to be foriven we must be sincere in our asking for forgiveness and part of that requires us to seek out any harm oursin has caused and makes satisfactory restitution to any person we have hamed, along with doing our best to give the person or people we have harmed, reason to forgive us.Being forgiven does not automatically remove us from punishment, we may still be required to face some form and level of punishment to be sincere in asking for forgiveness.
Just when I have abandoned all efforts to confront the lies of Islam because it simply keeps bumping your threads up in the forum . . . you have to post this wonderful explanation of what is involved in true forgiveness. You are an accomplished apologist for Islam, Woodrow.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Just when I have abandoned all efforts to confront the lies of Islam because it simply keeps bumping your threads up in the forum . . . you have to post this wonderful explanation of what is involved in true forgiveness. You are an accomplished apologist for Islam, Woodrow.
Accomplished, perhaps, but also very transparent. Deflection and denial always is.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:15 PM
 
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Accomplished, perhaps, but also very transparent. Deflection and denial always is.
True . . . but to give the devil his due, sans . . . he is very good at it.
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Old 06-29-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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I'll go along with that. He is very good at defending the indefensible.
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Accomplished, perhaps, but also very transparent. Deflection and denial always is.


Because of all what you saying is not true

Just be lie for it not your cup of tea!!
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Old 06-29-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Because of all what you saying is not true

Just be lie for it not your cup of tea!!
It is true...Read woodrow's posts....I don't think you understand English well enough to know what I was talking about.
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Accomplished, perhaps, but also very transparent. Deflection and denial always is.

I am very transperant. What you see is what I am. Nothing hidden up any sleeves or in any pockets.

My life is very much an open book. I am what you see here or on any of the forums I administer and it is the same as what I say to all Muslims and non-Muslims who listen to me. I may be wrong Astagfiruulah. But I am me and everybody sees the same view of me.

I am an extreme pacifist and will not raise a hand against another for any reason. I will die before I defend my self. After Vietnam I swore I would never harm another human again and while I have to live with those memories and perhaps even pay for them, I will never hurt another human again.
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Old 06-29-2011, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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It is true...Read woodrow's posts....I don't think you understand English well enough to know what I was talking about.

NO. I did not read in woodrow's posts what was supportted your claims



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I am very transperant. What you see is what I am. Nothing hidden up any sleeves or in any pockets.

My life is very much an open book. I am what you see here or on any of the forums I administer and it is the same as what I say to all Muslims and non-Muslims who listen to me. I may be wrong Astagfiruulah. But I am me and everybody sees the same view of me.

I am an extreme pacifist and will not raise a hand against another for any reason. I will die before I defend my self. After Vietnam I swore I would never harm another human again and while I have to live with those memories and perhaps even pay for them, I will never hurt another human again.


you are Honest, but if you were non-muslim they would believe you
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