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Old 08-27-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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also here anther miracle when ALLAH said [GTH][And to Him belong the ships [with sails] elevated in the sea like mountains.
So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?] in the time of prophet the ships were very very simple so how he known there will be ships like mountains.
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Old 08-27-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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the metaphor is about the deeds of the disbelievers

and it is not like wave

but is is like

darkness in avast deep sea, overwhelmed with waves topped by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it!






here are another translations.

may be you could get it.
Or like utter darkness in the deep sea: there covers it a wave above which is another wave, above which is a cloud, (layers of) utter darkness one above another; when he holds out his hand, he is almost unable to see it; and to whomsoever Allah does not give light, he has no light.


Or as darkness on a vast, abysmal sea. There covereth him a wave, above which is a wave, above which is a cloud. Layer upon layer of darkness. When he holdeth out his hand he scarce can see it. And he for whom Allah hath not appointed light, for him there is no light.

it seems that you do not know the objective of such post.

i am not trying to say that the Quran is a scientific book

or It has generated absolutely scientific information of any value in the past twenty decades

what i want to say is that the quran is from Allah and in it it says that

the disbelievers will go to hell and even the christians and the Jews if they do not believe that Allah is the only god and Muhammed is his messenger

(if they have heared about him)

and similarly all the other people


and i am supporting my claim by posting these scientific reference in the Quran.
to proof that the Quran is from the one who created you and you will return to him








The hidden Islamic sciences, A MUST SEE PROGRAM (part1) - YouTube



Why are Muslims backward in Science - YouTube
so your saying i should hurry up and convert, so i wont go to hell
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Old 08-28-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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and that is another scientific fact

after 200 meters down , the sea start to become dark

and 1400 years ago no one could could dive to that level to know this fact

and i think the dark clouds just to make the things more bold

like a very very cold glass of water and some one add ice to it.

and it is not only the clouds

but also the inside wave that reduce the light of the sun



clouds + inside waves + deep sea point + and may be at night = very dark


The darkness of oceans and disappearance of light was mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.
so you take one part of the same verse as fact and the other as "maybe". again complete streach...
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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so your saying i should hurry up and convert, so i wont go to hell

i advise you to take it seriously
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Old 08-29-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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so you take one part of the same verse as fact and the other as "maybe". again complete streach...


what is really matter is actual arabic text in the quran that is said by Allah

the verse contains two scientific facts

1- wave under the sea
2- the deep sea is dark even in the noon time
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:28 PM
 
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what is really matter is actual arabic text in the quran that is said by Allah

the verse contains two scientific facts

1- wave under the sea
2- the deep sea is dark even in the noon time
What really matter is you take the same verse, and say one is "fact" and one is "maybe" so you change what you want to TRY to prove something.... Actually the romans and greeks had extensive sciences in this area, and knew about it a long time before the quran.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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and that is another scientific fact

after 200 meters down , the sea start to become dark

and 1400 years ago no one could could dive to that level to know this fact
Um, no. It starts to get dark immediately when one dives. It's darker just below the surface than it is above the surface, it's darker 5m below the surface than it is just under the surface, it's darker 10m below the surface than it is 5m below the surface, and so forth.

Ancient divers noticed this, they noticed that when you got even deeper -- say, 15m or even 30m -- it started to get really dim. They then were able to figure out (if they possessed the cognitive abilities of, oh, say, an 8-year-old) that, "Hey, if we could go even deeper it would eventually be completely black!".

So, what you're essentially saying is:
*the ancients weren't complete morons, and
*this proves there is a deity

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Old 08-29-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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What really matter is you take the same verse, and say one is "fact" and one is "maybe" so you change what you want to TRY to prove something.... Actually the romans and greeks had extensive sciences in this area, and knew about it a long time before the quran.


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Um, no. It starts to get dark immediately when one dives. It's darker just below the surface than it is above the surface, it's darker 5m below the surface than it is just under the surface, it's darker 10m below the surface than it is 5m below the surface, and so forth.

Ancient divers noticed this, they noticed that when you got even deeper -- say, 15m or even 30m -- it started to get really dim. They then were able to figure out (if they possessed the cognitive abilities of, oh, say, an 8-year-old) that, "Hey, if we could go even deeper it would eventually be completely black!".

So, what you're essentially saying is:
*the ancients weren't complete morons, and
*this proves there is a deity



did the romans and greeks and ancients know also about the undersea wave


take here another scientific fact about wave


And if a wave enshroudeth them like awnings, they cry unto Allah, making their faith pure for Him only. But when He bringeth them safe to land, some of them compromise. None denieth Our signs save every traitor ingrate. The Noble Quan.


Plunging breakers, found in Hawaii and Southern California,
and they are not found in the area of prophet Muhammed peace blessing of Allah be upon him

how did the prophet know about such wave
Allah who created the sea and know its properties told him

Types of Breaking Waves | eHow.com


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Old 08-29-2011, 08:26 PM
 
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did the romans and greeks and ancients know also about the undersea wave


take here another scientific fact about wave


And if a wave enshroudeth them like awnings, they cry unto Allah, making their faith pure for Him only. But when He bringeth them safe to land, some of them compromise. None denieth Our signs save every traitor ingrate. The Noble Quan.


Plunging breakers, found in Hawaii and Southern California,
and they are not found in the area of prophet Muhammed peace blessing of Allah be upon him

how did the prophet know about such wave
Allah who created the sea and know its properties told him

Types of Breaking Waves | eHow.com

Maybe you should take a few diving lessons, and you would quickly learn what divers knew long before your quran book.
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Old 08-31-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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It's been a long time since I visited Sea World, but I do remember Shamu.
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