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Old 08-31-2011, 07:44 AM
 
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If you switch the letters in Shamu around, you get Musha, which is pretty similar to the Arabic transliteration of "Moses." Something pretty strange is going on at Sea World!
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Maybe you should take a few diving lessons, and you would quickly learn what divers knew long before your quran book.

did the divers know about the sea that is conflagrant


By the Mount,
And a Scripture inscribed
On fine parchment unrolled,
And the House frequented,
And the roof exalted,
And the Sea set on Fire


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Old 08-31-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I didn't realize volcanism was such a recent phenomenon. Hawaii must have formed last month.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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I didn't realize volcanism was such a recent phenomenon. Hawaii must have formed last month.
fire in the bottom of the sea was a recent discovery

two miles below surface of the sea

the Quran talked about the sea with fire 1400 years ago

who could comprehend how fire and water could co-exist.



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Old 09-01-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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fire in the bottom of the sea was a recent discovery

two miles below surface of the sea

the Quran talked about the sea with fire 1400 years ago

who could comprehend how fire and water could co-exist.
How recent, do you have a date? Lava flows in water are nothing new, I'd say long before 1400 years ago. Probably since people have been near the water on vocanic islands. Who said it had to be 2000 feet below the surface. Go to Hawaii and see new land forming at the waters edge, like in your picture of hawaii. That has been going on long before 1400 years. Thanks for playing.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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How recent, do you have a date? Lava flows in water are nothing new, I'd say long before 1400 years ago. Probably since people have been near the water on vocanic islands. Who said it had to be 2000 feet below the surface. Go to Hawaii and see new land forming at the waters edge, like in your picture of hawaii. That has been going on long before 1400 years. Thanks for playing.


i don't play with Hell
Hawaii was discovered 234 years ago
sea with fire was not known 1400 years for the arabs
but it was known for Allah

And with Him are the keys of the Invisible. None but He knoweth them.
And He knoweth what is in the land and the sea. Not a leaf falleth but He knoweth it,
not a grain amid the darkness of the earth, naught of wet or dry but (it is noted) in a clear record. The Noble Quran.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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i don't play with Hell
Hawaii was discovered 234 years ago
sea with fire was not known 1400 years for the arabs
but it was known for Allah
Oh please. Hawaii was discovered by the western world (James Cook) in 1778. But who cares when the westrn world discovered it, it was inhabited long before, probably before 6th Century AD or even earlier. Your claims ring hallow, or truth be told, they just go thud.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:17 PM
 
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Cool So obvious!

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here is other miracle in quran ALLAH [GTH] said [ And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition And it is He who has created from water a human being and made him [a relative by] lineage and marriage. And ever is your Lord competent [concerning creation] But they worship rather than Allah that which does not benefit them or harm them, and the disbeliever is ever, against his Lord, an assistant [to Satan].
Nope: no miracles here. The mixing of salt & fresh water happens wherever a river runs into the sea. The interaction of the molecules, and the osmotic differences in reactions to such salinity gradients is well studied in sea organisms that live in the intermix zone. You pretend to conflate existing knowledge with some ancient miraculous knowledge where, in fact, there is none. You imbue meaning to old ambiguous commentary where there is none.

But please: do go on; this is humorous.

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and that is another scientific fact
after 200 meters down , the sea start to become dark
and 1400 years ago no one could could dive to that level to know this fact
and i think the dark clouds just to make the things more bold
like a very very cold glass of water and some one add ice to it.
and it is not only the clouds
but also the inside wave that reduce the light of the sun
clouds + inside waves + deep sea point + and may be at night = very dark


The darkness of oceans and disappearance of light was mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science.
Again, so what. As others so correctly note, if you had ever dived, as I and so many others here have, even to a mere 5 - 8 m down, you'd know that the quality of light is changed significantly even at those minor depths. The pearl divers of SE Asia go significantly deeper; up to 80 meters! Free-divers go down to 60 meters with no gear. ancient Greek divers obviously knew this long before Allah quoted it. He was simply seeking to astound those who are easily astounded, and then claim miraculous knowledge.

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also here anther miracle when ALLAH said [GTH][And to Him belong the ships [with sails] elevated in the sea like mountains.
So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?] in the time of prophet the ships were very very simple so how he known there will be ships like mountains.
You do realize that an ancient person who was historically ignorant of the marine environment, one raised in a flat-desert environment, would surely be amazed and dumbfounded at the sight of even a basic sailing ship, right? Hint: there have never been ships with "sails like [real] mountains".

The ancient Norse sailers, who predated the late-arriving Muslim culture, had ships with pretty decent and tall sails on them. They had to; they sailed across the North Atlantic (A "miraculous" feat, I'd say, esp. if Allah had claimed it...).

Get your head on straight and stop imagining events and interpretations that simply are not there! Your ideas carry no water with even a kindergartener or experienced Western-educated reader here. Such children's-level ideas only impress the scientifically illiterate, the unread, and the blindly faithful.

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what is really matter is actual arabic text in the quran that is said by Allah

the verse contains two scientific facts

1- wave under the sea
2- the deep sea is dark even in the noon time
Common knowledge, no miracles. and very basic as well, by the way! If you sat for even a few minutes and watched an in-coming storm surf at your local beach, you'd see the obvious: the "undertow" and retreating volumes of water from the previous waves has to go somewhere! Obviously.

And that it is obviously overcome by the next incoming wave, and this creates an obvious undercurrent wave. All obvious, unless you prefer to credit it all to some miraculous hand. We know differently. No miracles required, none shown here.

As noted by Voyager, as follows:

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Um, no. It starts to get dark immediately when one dives. It's darker just below the surface than it is above the surface, it's darker 5m below the surface than it is just under the surface, it's darker 10m below the surface than it is 5m below the surface, and so forth.

Ancient divers noticed this, they noticed that when you got even deeper -- say, 15m or even 30m -- it started to get really dim. They then were able to figure out (if they possessed the cognitive abilities of, oh, say, an 8-year-old) that, "Hey, if we could go even deeper it would eventually be completely black!".

So, what you're essentially saying is:

*the ancients weren't complete morons, and
*this proves there is a deity

Yup, that's what these guys are getting at, Voyager. I know I'm convinced.... And you?

PS: I do wish they would stop with these Cut & Paste lessons in "Converting the Infidel". Say... wouldn't it be nice if we could have C-D create an Islamic sub-forum, just as we have for Christianity? Then if we wanted to be convinced, we could go over there.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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fire in the bottom of the sea was a recent discovery

two miles below surface of the sea

the Quran talked about the sea with fire 1400 years ago

who could comprehend how fire and water could co-exist.
Again, you assume that no-one had seen this previously. How about the ancient Fijian societies that also easily predate Islam by several centuries?

The islands they lived on were formed out of volcanism, so yes; they had seen the volcano gods' workings (Pele for instance) long LONG before Mohammed imagined or locally witnessed it, if in fact , this is what he was referring to.

There is also ample evidence of volcanic eruptions near water along the Mediterranean Sea. Big deal.

This post's contents and assumptions are so immature and unconvincing, I'm staggered that you actually buy into it. You must have suffered a really limited, scientifically starved education.

Is this typical of the real-world education afforded children in the Middle East? Do Islamic teachers only focus on the works and prophecies of Allah, to the complete exclusion of everything else? Seems so.

How tragic, for you.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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islamic/muslim sub-forum please.....PLEase......PLEASE!!!!!
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