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Old 08-16-2007, 01:30 PM
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Dutch bishop: Call God ‘Allah’ to ease relations
Roman Catholic leader stokes already heated debate on religion


Updated: 11:29 a.m. ET Aug 15, 2007
AMSTERDAM - A Roman Catholic Bishop in the Netherlands has proposed people of all faiths refer to God as Allah to foster understanding, stoking an already heated debate on religious tolerance in a country with one million Muslims.

Bishop Tiny Muskens, from the southern diocese of Breda, told Dutch television on Monday that God did not mind what he was named and that in Indonesia, where Muskens spent eight years, priests used the word "Allah" while celebrating Mass.

"Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? ... What does God care what we call him? It is our problem.".....[more follows]

Bishop: Call God ‘Allah’ to ease relations - Europe - MSNBC.com
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:34 PM
 
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looks like a "move" to a one world religion to me..what do you think? all in the name of peace..
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:36 PM
 
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Default uh....don't think so!

Sounds like that proposal is going to go over like a lead balloon! Was it Shakespeare who said "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?" Well, most people of faith get a little testy about calling God the name of a another's religion's "god." It may seem the same, but it has potential ramifications that go beyond the name.
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:43 PM
 
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just my two cents...IMHO and view of the Bible, there is a one-world government that will be set up in the last days..
Of the three forces blamed for war among men, religion has been the most frequent cause of conflict, by far. The drive for one-world government and one-world economy has been much more prominent in the news than the push for religious unification. However, the behind-the-scenes-progress toward religious union has been widespread and far-reaching.

Scripture references:
Prophecy of a worldwide political and religious system - Revelation 13:1-15

The judgment of the Great ***** - Revelation 17:1-3

Revelation 13:3-8

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.



In Revelation 13, John prophesies that a time will come when all human beings who are not named in the Lamb's Book of Life will worship the satan inspired end time beast.

John also predicts in Revelation 17 that this one world religion, which is symbolized by a harlot, will be judged and destroyed by God.

Our world is swiftly moving toward a fulfillment of this prophecy.

In 1993, 6000 religious leaders, representing 125 relgious groups from around the world, gathered in Chicago for the Parliament of World Religions, an event promoted by the United Nations.

The stated purpose of this parliament was to formulate a "global ethic" that would provide the basis for a non-biased, non-exclusive, religious world order.

In the words of this "global ethic" - "We affirm that a common set of core values is found in the teachings of the religions, and that these form the basis of a global ethic."
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:48 PM
 
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Another church compromise on an issue they see as "inconsequential" or "non-essential". I don't think he can forsee the potential ramifications of such a decision.

Who's to say Muslims will want Christians to call our God by their God's name of Allah? Wouldn't that be considered offensive to them as some of them consider us in the wrong and infidels because we're not muslim?
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Old 08-16-2007, 01:52 PM
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I agree mams1559,
Even though most people already realize that there are different names for the same God, it still doesn't seem to have much of a positive influence on current relations, and implementing this could actually make them even worse.
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Old 08-16-2007, 05:20 PM
 
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True, there are several different names for God, but "Allah" isn't one of them. Aside from what people think, what would GOD think, of us calling him by the name of a false god? I would think He would take it as an insult of the very worst kind....BAD idea....

Bud
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Old 08-16-2007, 07:35 PM
 
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See what you can accomplish with some suicide bombers?
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:45 PM
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About the Arabic name:

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Allah (Arabic: اللّٰه, Allāh) is the standard Arabic word for "God". The term is best known in the West for its use by Muslims as a reference to God.[1] Arabic-speakers of all faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[2] The Muslim and Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[3] In pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was used by pagan Meccans as a reference to the creator-god, possibly the supreme deity.[4]

In Islam, Allah is the only deity, transcendent creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind.[1][5] Some Islamic scholars believe that the term "Allāh" should not be translated, arguing that "Allāh" as used in Islam is a special and glorified term whose use should be preserved, while God can also be used in reference to deities worshiped by polytheists.

According to F. E. Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews.[Qur'an 29:46] The Quran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[6].....

Etymologically, Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic article al- and ʾilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ho theos monos)[4]. Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[8] The corresponding Aramaic form is ’Ĕlāh, in Biblical Aramaic, and ’Allāhā, in Syriac.

Synchronically, the term Allah does not have a plural form or a feminine gender in the Arabic language.[9] The historical (pre-Islamic) corresponding feminine is Allāt.

Regardless of etymology, the synchronic Muslim understanding of the term does not consider it as a proper name like any other, but rather as the "name of the nameless God, next to whom there is no other"[9].

Allah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-16-2007, 11:31 PM
 
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Who's to say Muslims will want Christians to call our God by their God's name of Allah? Wouldn't that be considered offensive to them as some of them consider us in the wrong and infidels because we're not muslim?
I agree. Muslims do not want people throughout the world to use "Allah" in worship of other religions. What a rediculous idea! Nothing from Amsterdam should surprise us.
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