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So you think the U.S. soliders in Iraq and Afghanistan should be able to take the Muslim women they capture and make them sex slaves?
Or do you only think it is only okay for the Muslims to take the sex slaves?
I just expressed my thoughts regardless of my religion.
I am not supporting slavery, I think it is a good reason for war. But if war happenned, then women soliders are good to be taken as sex slave.
I don't think I would like a war to happen between my father's and my mother's families, so I think I would stand up firmly to extinguish all ignitions of such war. I would be a strong reason to guide people to peace.
I just expressed my thoughts regardless of my religion.
I am not supporting slavery, I think it is a good reason for war. But if war happenned, then women soliders are good to be taken as sex slave.
I don't think I would like a war to happen between my father's and my mother's families, so I think I would stand up firmly to extinguish all ignitions of such war. I would be a strong reason to guide people to peace.
I appreciate your honesty on this issue.
Now we non-muslims are left to wonder, "who best represents the real position of Islam, Woodrow or Slave of Allah."
Now we non-muslims are left to wonder, "who best represents the real position of Islam, Woodrow or Slave of Allah."
Sorry, even muslims like Woodrow are at fault for their complacency in failing to deal with their more violent brothers. Not only that, he still claims that many of the atrocities committed every day by muslims just aren't happening, but are all simply bad press. Fail, fail fail.
Sorry, even muslims like Woodrow are at fault for their complacency in failing to deal with their more violent brothers. Not only that, he still claims that many of the atrocities committed every day by muslims just aren't happening, but are all simply bad press. Fail, fail fail.
I often wish good folks like Woodrow would spend less time trying to convince US that islam was against violence, and more time trying to convince MUSLIMS that islam was against violence. They are the ones that need the convincing afterall.
That being said, there is evidence that Christians are actually more accepting of violence then Muslims, (or atheist.) Recent Gallup polls in this country bear that out.
I often wonder if I conflate an Islam issue with what is actually a cultural arab issue. So that what I believe is being caused by religious beliefs is actually being caused by cultural beliefs.
*Refusing the urge to use sarcasm for that post by Slave of Allah*
Anyway Woodrow, the mention of slavery jogged my brain there for a minute. I am now reminded of the Islamic foray into Eastern and Western Africa that brought back slaves to the upper Middle Eastern countries PRIOR to the Europeans following that blueprint to shackle Africans for their own brand of slavery. In the Islamic world of that time, was the practice accepted as "okay" or can we find an isolated voice here and there that rejected such practices BASED on the teachings of the Koran? Would Muhammad have approved of it based on his own time and culture or would his deity have EXPLICITLY commanded him NOT to engage in such cruelty no matter how tame (or not) it may have been compared to other slavery stories we know about? After all, hauling people off into slavery thousands of miles across a desert and MAKING them serve another people is not exactly something pleasant on ANY level.
The taking of slaves was a horrible treatment of our fellow humans. the Muslim slave traders never ventured beyond the coastal regions of Africa. The people sold by the coastal natives were captives from inter-tribal wars. The captives that were not sold were killed or held for ransom. This was a disgrace all the way around and the mistreatment of the slaves on board the ships was decidedly sinful.
It is difficult to find any Arabic records or written history from that era. However here is a link to a web site, I believe by an African that seems to present a history of the African slave trade by Arabs:
The taking of slaves was a horrible treatment of our fellow humans. the Muslim slave traders never ventured beyond the coastal regions of Africa. The people sold by the coastal natives were captives from inter-tribal wars. The captives that were not sold were killed or held for ransom. This was a disgrace all the way around and the mistreatment of the slaves on board the ships was decidedly sinful.
It is difficult to find any Arabic records or written history from that era. However here is a link to a web site, I believe by an African that seems to present a history of the African slave trade by Arabs:
Thank you for that but you overlooked a few other questions in my post. We knew Arab Muslims engaged in slavery and I mean Arabs from the homeland of Muhammad. If he were alive, would he have condoned it and is there anything in the Koran that we can point to that would have prohibited the act?
Of course, in the 16th and 17th century Muslim raiders were famous for taking Christians hostage as slaves on the Barbary coast and selling them in the Islamic market in North Africa and the Middle East. They seized ships and also raided European coastal towns in Italy, France, Spain, and Portugal, England, the Netherlands, etc. to get their Christian slaves.
This led to the first barbary war, where the U.S. went to war with the muslims to stop the slave raids. It's where we get the words "to the shores of Tripoli" from the Marine Corps Hymn.
I often wish good folks like Woodrow would spend less time trying to convince US that islam was against violence, and more time trying to convince MUSLIMS that islam was against violence. They are the ones that need the convincing afterall.
That being said, there is evidence that Christians are actually more accepting of violence then Muslims, (or atheist.) Recent Gallup polls in this country bear that out.
I spend considerably more time speaking with my Brothers and Sisters. Than I spend here. However I find that there are very few if any potential terrorists among American Muslims. Although I have been accused of being a terrorist on more than one occasion and am frequently stopped and asked about my activities. I do maintain a high profile and my life is pretty much an open book. I do have a few websites and am active on several Islamic forums. I do put my money where my mouth is.
Have a lot more pages to add and will be moving my online stores to their own sites. I am also an administrator on a few reasonably large Islamic Web sites.
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