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Old 10-03-2011, 10:44 PM
 
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:16 AM
 
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Iran is often at odds even with other Islamic countries. They are the only nation that has Shi'i as the National religion and the only one who uses the Jafa'ari Madhab of Sharia.

All I can say is Iran is Iran and it's actions are the actions of Iran,only.
Woodrow, I'm not expecting you to be apologetic for any Muslim action, or any country.

But, you should realize that this type of answer does not recommend Islam at all. If it is not one standard system of belief, action, governance, or law, then it is subjective and not worthwhile. It is literally no better than anything else except to the believer of such system.

That can be found anywhere in any system, religious or secular.
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Old 10-04-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Woodrow, I'm not expecting you to be apologetic for any Muslim action, or any country.

But, you should realize that this type of answer does not recommend Islam at all. If it is not one standard system of belief, action, governance, or law, then it is subjective and not worthwhile. It is literally no better than anything else except to the believer of such system.

That can be found anywhere in any system, religious or secular.
The best recommendation for Islam is that it all comes down to individual responsibility. We are given the choices and told before hand the results of our choices. It is our responsibility to question and verify all things. We are not to be the blind followers of any human leader. It is up to us to question and verify all things.

Islam is not so much a set of commandments as it is a set of examples and the results of choices. To be a Muslim a person has to work and learn. It is a constant state of learning and not a sitting on our tails saying "we are saved and can no effort required". We do not have the option of just following along with the words of any religious leaders. It may only take a matter of seconds for a person to become a Muslim but it takes a lifetime to be a Muslim. If we become blind followers, we have fallen off the path. Many will wear the name of Muslim, but not all will follow Islam.

Islam is all about learning and making informed choices, not the blind following of a leader as we see in some nations, even some that wear the name of Muslim.

Islam is not a means to avoid the hardships of life, it is how to face them and learn we have the strength to overcome them. We are responsible to learn our choices in all matters, and know that we alone are who will receive the results of our choices. We may not have the option of all the hardship we face, but we have the ability to decide how we will face those hardships. Life is an obstacle course, Islam teaches us how to make it through the gauntlet of life.
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Old 10-04-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Iranian Pastor Faces Execution For Refusing To Recant Christian Faith | Fox News

Feelin' the love?

Wonder how muslims would act if this was reversed?

look, I see this news is Very ridiculous that you or fox news attributing to Islam

how is that!!!

Government of Iran does not follow the teachings of Islam,it Follows the wrong Shiite legacies

No right to forced anyone to leave his religion at all

Allah said in Quran " There is no compulsion in religion"


that's it
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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How exactly are Muslims supposed to be responsible for the douche bags within the religion? No one asks Baptists to apologize for the Westboro Baptist Church and no one blamed Catholics as a whole for what Eric Rudolph did, so why is it that Muslims are asked, "Hey look at your religion, peace my butt!"

Seriously, what do you expect Muslims to do? We do realize that these so-called Muslims are a stain on our religion but we can't get rid of them or change their minds.

FYI, Islam is as complex as Christianity itself. Not all Muslims are the same and, just like with Christianity, you have different sects and denominations who believe in different aspects of the religion and have their own interpretations. Catholics and Protestants differ just as Shi'a and Sunni Muslims differ.
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Old 10-04-2011, 09:15 AM
 
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look, I see this news is Very ridiculous that you or fox news attributing to Islam

how is that!!!
As is CNN, The Washington Post, etc. You can polish that pile of camel dung till it shines like a brand new penny, but it's still a pile of dung.

You're going to need a fresh can.....

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Old 10-04-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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Apologies and excuses aside, Iran is run by a supreme leader, who advocates Islam, and claims authority through Islam, and is acting within their interpretation of Islam.

It is not the fault of Fox news, or any other news agency which exposes this.

This is a government acting under their Islamic law, it is not individuals. But, if there was not enough support from the individual people in matters like this, then maybe they would speak out or try to change things.

The sound from them in that area.....crickets.
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Apologies and excuses aside, Iran is run by a supreme leader, who advocates Islam, and claims authority through Islam, and is acting within their interpretation of Islam.

It is not the fault of Fox news, or any other news agency which exposes this.

This is a government acting under their Islamic law, it is not individuals. But, if there was not enough support from the individual people in matters like this, then maybe they would speak out or try to change things.

The sound from them in that area.....crickets.
Do you realize how often the people of Iran have tried to break free from the dictatorships it is under? Do you want more bloodshed so that you can point out how Barbaric we are?

Iran is a dictatorship and a police state. The Iranian people have tried peaceful means to break free. Perhaps they should listen to you and resort to violence.

Have you watched any news? Look HERE
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Apologies and excuses aside, Iran is run by a supreme leader, who advocates Islam, and claims authority through Islam, and is acting within their interpretation of Islam.

It is not the fault of Fox news, or any other news agency which exposes this.

This is a government acting under their Islamic law, it is not individuals. But, if there was not enough support from the individual people in matters like this, then maybe they would speak out or try to change things.

The sound from them in that area.....crickets.
our Islamic law never force one to leave his religion but Iran acting under his clumsy Policy
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Old 10-04-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Do you realize how often the people of Iran have tried to break free from the dictatorships it is under? Do you want more bloodshed so that you can point out how Barbaric we are?

Iran is a dictatorship and a police state. The Iranian people have tried peaceful means to break free. Perhaps they should listen to you and resort to violence.

Have you watched any news? Look HERE

Did I mention violence? Or is that YOUR first thought?

I see in that news article they are demonstrating against the president, not the supreme leader where the real power, and islamic rule, lies.
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