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Old 10-21-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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As far as I'm concerned Muslims have no right to even attempt to impose their restrictive laws on any country they immigrate to...


Sharia Law: Battlefield London - YouTube
Yet it seems that the followers of many of the ancient superstitions have the same agenda for their country.

My state (NC) is going to have an initiative on the ballot in the May 2012 primaries to amend the state constitution with the stupidity and hatred born in the ignorance one of the ancient superstitions.

I strongly oppose any religion in their attempts to force their ignorance on all.

Sadly the followers of one such superstition are incapable of recognizing their own actions are just as outrageous.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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True, in a democracy. But the U.S. is not a democracy, but rather a republic.
Thank you for educating me.

So I guess what you are saying is that the United States is a Republic like The People's Republic Of China, The Islamic Republic Of Iran, The Republic Of Somalia, and The Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics ... and not at all like Canada, The United Kingdom, Japan, Israel, Spain, Thailand or Norway which are NOT republics. I suppose then the democratic ideals and institutions of these non-republics we should abhor.

Hmmm...

I think I would rather live in a Democracy ... and not a Republic.

Oh, wait ... someone just told me these are not mutually exclusive terms. It's possible for a country to be both a Republic and a democracy.

What? Someone just told me to read Plato's Republic to get a better understanding what it's all about.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:51 PM
 
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Yet it seems that the followers of many of the ancient superstitions have the same agenda for their country.

My state (NC) is going to have an initiative on the ballot in the May 2012 primaries to amend the state constitution with the stupidity and hatred born in the ignorance one of the ancient superstitions.

I strongly oppose any religion in their attempts to force their ignorance on all.

Sadly the followers of one such superstition are incapable of recognizing their own actions are just as outrageous.
That is what Muslims want for every nation on earth!!! Remember it or fall victim to it.
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Old 10-22-2011, 06:15 AM
 
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That is what Muslims want for every nation on earth!!! Remember it or fall victim to it.
While this is true, christians pose the same threat to freedom, are actively pursuing to force their ignorance based hatred into law in our own backyard today.

Are you trying to draw attention away from this by hyping the fear of muslims?
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Yes, but we generally conclude that was a mistake, we don't try to hold it up as a model for future performance.
Yet you Americans keep repeating the same past mistakes.
I mean how else would you as a Libertarian view Guantanamo Bay?
I guess the Muslims who want the Sahiara law are more upfront about being prejudiced than Americans (or is it just the Liberterians)?

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Our history is not an argument for discarding libertarian values, it's an argument for protecting them.
I agree with you but everytime reality shows that these libertarian values are not being upheld it just seems an excerise in futility to me.
Then again, no system is perfect.
At least a democracy knows what it's main weakness is.
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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As far as I'm concerned Muslims have no right to even attempt to impose their restrictive laws on any country they immigrate to...


Sharia Law: Battlefield London - YouTube

I agree and those behaving like the muslims in the video ought to be put on a boat with a one way ticket to a Muslim country.
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:59 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Thank you for educating me.

So I guess what you are saying is that the United States is a Republic like The People's Republic Of China, The Islamic Republic Of Iran, The Republic Of Somalia, and The Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics ... and not at all like Canada, The United Kingdom, Japan, Israel, Spain, Thailand or Norway which are NOT republics. I suppose then the democratic ideals and institutions of these non-republics we should abhor.

Hmmm...

I think I would rather live in a Democracy ... and not a Republic.

Oh, wait ... someone just told me these are not mutually exclusive terms. It's possible for a country to be both a Republic and a democracy.

What? Someone just told me to read Plato's Republic to get a better understanding what it's all about.
Maybe try reading books like "The miracle in Philadelphia" to understand the TYPE of republic we have. There is another interesting book entitled " A necesary evil" that also gives some good insight of the TYPE of republic we have which is not like the type China has.

The compare the advantages between a republic and democracy. As far as a know our republic and be described as a 'representative democracy'. We do have the democratic principles in our system but not a straight democracy. Straight democracy is not the paradise many make it look either. Take care.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Maybe try reading books like "The miracle in Philadelphia" to understand the TYPE of republic we have. There is another interesting book entitled " A necesary evil" that also gives some good insight of the TYPE of republic we have which is not like the type China has.

The compare the advantages between a republic and democracy. As far as a know our republic and be described as a 'representative democracy'. We do have the democratic principles in our system but not a straight democracy. Straight democracy is not the paradise many make it look either. Take care.
The term for our form of government would be a "Representive Constitutional Republic". A "Democracy" is nothing more than "Mob rule" where the mob can inflict it's policies on any and all peoples. Here we have a Constitution that lays down the ground work on how our government is suppose to work.

As far a living in a true democracy, it leaves ones at the whims of the population. If they decide that everyone with the name of "Terry" should be put to death, then who's going to object, the ones with the name Terry. Theres a true democracy at work.
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Old 10-24-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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I don't agree with your second post but the one above is great.
Of course you don't. But it is fact nonetheless.


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So, perhaps we should allow anyone who wants to follow them to subject only themselves to having their hands, feet or head chopped off? For me, our U.S. laws aren't as harsh so why would anyone want to import their thirst for blood? In our Christian based laws they are considered pretty harsh.
Our laws are in no way Christian or Biblical based. Biblical/Christian laws have historical been just as harsh and barbaric as those in current Muslim theocracies.


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They [Christians and Muslims] showed the world their violence which to me is not a religion but a common hate group run by thugs. Where do American draw the line and stop compromising? If we don't stand up for American where and what will stand up for? I don't know, or care, what muslims [and Christians] want for America as it isn't their choice it is our choice.
Add Christians to your statement above (as I have done) and you are 100% spot on.

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Think long and hard about who we put in the White House next.
Indeed! Keep the religious, anti-science, anti-freedom, anti-equality, anti progress nutjobs out and the sane rational folk in.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:23 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The term for our form of government would be a "Representive Constitutional Republic". A "Democracy" is nothing more than "Mob rule" where the mob can inflict it's policies on any and all peoples. Here we have a Constitution that lays down the ground work on how our government is suppose to work.

As far a living in a true democracy, it leaves ones at the whims of the population. If they decide that everyone with the name of "Terry" should be put to death, then who's going to object, the ones with the name Terry. Theres a true democracy at work.
We said the same just in different words. Take care.
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