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Old 10-30-2011, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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First I must apologize as I am quite deaf and can not understand a word in this video. Sadly the pitch of the speakers voice is in a frequency range I can not hear.

But from what I see at about frame 3:28 the protestors seem to be the "Manche Juden distanzieren sich von Demonstration deutscher Christen für Israel
March" of Aug 25

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[SIZE=2]BERLIN, Aug. 25 (JTA) — One of Germany’s largest pro-Israel demonstrations in recent memory took place here Saturday — with no support from German Jewish groups.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The demonstrators, waving Israeli flags and marching under the slogan “Germany on Israel’s Side,” were mainly fundamentalist Christians who oppose a Palestinian state and believe Jewish control of the biblical Land of Israel is one of the preconditions for Jesus’ return.
While the event, which police said drew 4,000 participants, received publicity and informational material from the Israeli Embassy here, the Union of Jewish Students in Germany “distanced itself completely” from the idea that Jews must accept Jesus as their savior. The group also distanced itself from the anti-Muslim beliefs of some the organizers, according to a statement distributed by a handful of Jewish students at the march.
Their protest attracted the attention of German media and underscored the question being asked elsewhere: Just how far should Israel supporters go in accepting support during troubled times? [/SIZE]
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If possible could you or anyone give a brief synopsis of what is taking place. From the visual I am not making any connection with Sharia.
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Old 10-30-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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You support this despicable religion by your complicity in being so 'shocked' by their standards of behaviour. You are just as bad as those who commit these atrocities and you are anti-American and anti-Western.

Stop trying to make this backwards religion even slightly useful and relevant to this day and age. Are you really that naive? Or maybe just an ostrich shoving it's head in the sand, conveniently glossing over the nasty bits.

Islam is the antithesis to all the Western world has been thriving to achieve, equality and liberty for all.
Yes I strongly support this "despicable" religion. and I am 100% american having been born in Hartford CT before the onset of WWll and having served a large part of my life as a US Military officer who paid a high price from injuries received in the Line of duty.

I have found more freedom as a Muslim and one who attempts to lead a shariah compliant life that I did living the life of an entrepreneur interested in the material successes of life.

I do not promote nor try to impose my life choices upon non-Muslims. but I do feel that those of us who have chosen to accept the name of Muslim, should follow Islam to the best of our abilities. which does not mean trying to shove it down the throats of those who believe different or to impose shariah concepts upon non-Muslims. Shariah is for Muslims only and Shariah is not what the press is trying to show it to be.

I do teach shariah and my teaching is quite different from what I see people claiming to be shariah. This is a brief synopsis what I teach to my Muslim students:

Sharia
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Yes I strongly support this "despicable" religion. and I am 100% american having been born in Hartford CT before the onset of WWll and having served a large part of my life as a US Military officer who paid a high price from injuries received in the Line of duty.

I have found more freedom as a Muslim and one who attempts to lead a shariah compliant life that I did living the life of an entrepreneur interested in the material successes of life.

I do not promote nor try to impose my life choices upon non-Muslims. but I do feel that those of us who have chosen to accept the name of Muslim, should follow Islam to the best of our abilities. which does not mean trying to shove it down the throats of those who believe different or to impose shariah concepts upon non-Muslims. Shariah is for Muslims only and Shariah is not what the press is trying to show it to be.

I do teach shariah and my teaching is quite different from what I see people claiming to be shariah. This is a brief synopsis what I teach to my Muslim students:

Sharia
You claim that you don't shove Islam at others, but that is what you continually do on this forum. You can try to whitewash Islam and sharia all you want, but it is certainly not working on me...It is the most violent belief in the world today, and there is no denying that fact.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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You claim that you don't shove Islam at others, but that is what you continually do on this forum. You can try to whitewash Islam and sharia all you want, but it is certainly not working on me...It is the most violent belief in the world today, and there is no denying that fact.
You see it as a religion of violence, I see it as a religion of peace. I am very much more peaceful as a Muslim than I was as a Christian and many times more tolerant of others than I was in the past.

I hope others do not see it as proselytizing I see misconceptions others have about Islam and do try to correct those, no different from your trying to show me they are not misconceptions.

Would you say you are trying to force your beliefs upon me? I do not see you as doing that, I simply see we have different views and each of us is trying to present reasons why we feel the other is mistaken. If that is proselytizing, perhaps we are both guilty of such.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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No one should be trying to shame Woodrow for being a Muslim. I think he has made his case very well.
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Old 10-31-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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If Sharia Law wasn't so threatening to Western civil liberties and sensibilities we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. The fact is, it is a danger and it is distinctly anti women. You can paint it pretty but it doesn't hide the rot beneath.

Everyone can believe whatever they want, I don't care if people choose a religion, but when that religion wants to impose itself on others, it needs to be controlled.

Islam is not a peaceful religion so people need to stop pretending it's all touchy feely.

Get real.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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If Sharia Law wasn't so threatening to Western civil liberties and sensibilities we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. The fact is, it is a danger and it is distinctly anti women. You can paint it pretty but it doesn't hide the rot beneath.

Everyone can believe whatever they want, I don't care if people choose a religion, but when that religion wants to impose itself on others, it needs to be controlled.

Islam is not a peaceful religion so people need to stop pretending it's all touchy feely.

Get real.
The GOP seems to have reached many people with it's fear mongering. Sharia has been in use in Minnesota for nearly 100 years and is still standing. It is only a few States that have outlawed the use of Sharia law for disputes that involve only Muslims. Here unlike the UK it is not so much a question of introducing Sharia law it is to prevent it from being outlawed.

The Huffington Post which is often quite anti-Islamic has recently run an interesting article.

An excerpt from it reads:

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So if sharia is consulted only in certain cases and only at the discretion of the court, why has it become such a high priority for states and GOP candidates? One answer is that sharia opponents believe they need to act not to prevent the way Islamic law is currently used in the U.S. but to prevent a coming takeover by Muslim extremists. The sponsor of an Oklahoma measure banning sharia approved by voters last fall described it as "a pre-emptive strike." Others, like the conservative Center for Security Policy, assert that all Muslims are bound to work to establish an Islamic state in the U.S.

But if that was true -- and the very allegation labels every Muslim in America a national security threat -- the creeping Islamic theocracy movement is creeping very slowly. Muslims first moved to the Detroit suburb of Dearborn, for example, nearly a century ago to work in Henry Ford's factories. For most of the past 100 years, Dearborn has been home to the largest community of Arabs in the U.S. And yet after five or six generations, Dearborn's Muslims have not sought to see the city run in accordance with sharia. Bars and the occasional strip clubs dot the town's avenues, and a pork sausage factory is located next to the city's first mosque.

Maybe Dearborn's Muslims are just running a very drawn-out head fake on the country. It's hard to avoid the more likely conclusion, however, that politicians who cry "Sharia!" are engaging in one of the oldest and least-proud political traditions -- xenophobic demagoguery. One of the easiest ways to spot its use is when politicians carelessly throw around a word simply because it scares some voters.

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The fact is many Americans do not know what sharia is and are listening to the scare tactics of political candidates. this is no different from the McCarthyism of the 1950s.

There has been a least a 6%-10% Muslim population in the USA ever since there was a USA Sharia has been permitted in every Muslim predominate community. It has only been in the past few years that Islamaphobia has developed in the USA.

Beheadings, honor killings, forced marriage, mistreatment of women are not part of Islam nor Sharia law.

The issue is that some states have now made shari family/civil law illegal. Islamaphobia is pushing it to outlaw it in every State.

From the same Huffingpost article:

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The anti-communist Red Scare of the 1950s made broad use of guilt by innuendo and warnings about shadowy conspiracies. If GOP candidates insist they are not doing the same thing to ordinary Muslims, they can prove it by explaining what they believe sharia is and whether they're prepared to ban the consideration of all religious codes from civil arbitration. Anything less is simply fear mongering.
The simple fact is if Sharia is outlawed it essentially makes it illegal to be Muslim in the USA
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:06 AM
 
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OOOps just noticed an error above.

Sharia has been in use in Minnesota for nearly 100 years and is still standing.

That should have been Michigan.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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From the same Huffingpost article:

The simple fact is if Sharia is outlawed it essentially makes it illegal to be Muslim in the USA
Good.

Religion is damaging and Islam is one of the most damaging religions in the world.

Islam has been used to keep women from having jobs, from leaving the house without a male escort, from getting an education, from participating in life outside the home, from having human rights. It has allowed women and girls to be mutilated and killed.

It is a truly despicable religion.

Shame shame shame on you for supporting it. Just because your 'brand' doesn't endorse these things does not make it it any more palatable.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Good.

Religion is damaging and Islam is one of the most damaging religions in the world.

Islam has been used to keep women from having jobs, from leaving the house without a male escort, from getting an education, from participating in life outside the home, from having human rights. It has allowed women and girls to be mutilated and killed.

It is a truly despicable religion.

Shame shame shame on you for supporting it. Just because your 'brand' doesn't endorse these things does not make it it any more palatable.
My wife has an income of over $3000 per month and is free to use every penny as she pleases. In Islam a man is forbidden to touch his wife's income, the husband is required to pay all of her bills, provide her with the house she desires and not take it from her in the event of divorce. Read surah al-Nissa in the Qur'an and see what rights a woman has in Islam. A man can not force her to work, nor keep her from doing so if she desires. A man can not force his wife to dress in any manner nor stop her from dressing as she pleases. a woman is not required to pay any household bills or any expenses for her personal needs, the husband is obligated to do so.

Not everybody who wears the name of Muslim follows Islam. In some countries a woman is forbidden to learn how to read, out of fear she may discover her rights that are guaranteed in the Qur'an. Many if not all Female Muslims have a college degree and work in a profession. Every female Muslim I know is either a doctor, college professor, business executive etc.

Muhammad's wife Kadijah owned one of the largest businesses in the world at her time and Muhammad(PBUH) was her employee.

the Qur'an specifically forbids harming any women and we are also forbidden to mutilate or torture any human.

Yes, people wearing the name of Muslim do commit atrocities, but they are few and are not following the Qur'an.

Look in the phone book at the names of Doctors, you should find quite a few female doctors with Islamic (Arabic) names.

Even in Saudi the women are quite out spoken. Muslim women are not quiet little passive mice. Cross a Muslimah and you risk getting a broken arm. There are more protests by women world wide, demanding the right to wear the Hijab or Burqa. Have you seen who is doing the shouting and protesting every time a country outlaws the Hijab? A man can not require a woman to wear the Hijab or burq, not can he stop her from doing so.

Do not look at Saudi less than 10% of the world's Muslims are Arabic.
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