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Old 10-31-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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My wife has an income of over $3000 per month and is free to use every penny as she pleases. In Islam a man is forbidden to touch his wife's income, the husband is required to pay all of her bills, provide her with the house she desires and not take it from her in the event of divorce. Read surah al-Nissa in the Qur'an and see what rights a woman has in Islam. A man can not force her to work, nor keep her from doing so if she desires. A man can not force his wife to dress in any manner nor stop her from dressing as she pleases. a woman is not required to pay any household bills or any expenses for her personal needs, the husband is obligated to do so.

Not everybody who wears the name of Muslim follows Islam. In some countries a woman is forbidden to learn how to read, out of fear she may discover her rights that are guaranteed in the Qur'an. Many if not all Female Muslims have a college degree and work in a profession. Every female Muslim I know is either a doctor, college professor, business executive etc.

Muhammad's wife Kadijah owned one of the largest businesses in the world at her time and Muhammad(PBUH) was her employee.

the Qur'an specifically forbids harming any women and we are also forbidden to mutilate or torture any human.

Yes, people wearing the name of Muslim do commit atrocities, but they are few and are not following the Qur'an.

Look in the phone book at the names of Doctors, you should find quite a few female doctors with Islamic (Arabic) names.

Even in Saudi the women are quite out spoken. Muslim women are not quiet little passive mice. Cross a Muslimah and you risk getting a broken arm. There are more protests by women world wide, demanding the right to wear the Hijab or Burqa. Have you seen who is doing the shouting and protesting every time a country outlaws the Hijab? A man can not require a woman to wear the Hijab or burq, not can he stop her from doing so.

Do not look at Saudi less than 10% of the world's Muslims are Arabic.
I am sorry you are so brainwashed...really, I am, because it makes the fight against islam so much more difficult when people like you, intelligent and thoughtful, endorse and support it.

Religion is like a shackle but instead of being around your feet it is a shackling of the mind.
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Old 10-31-2011, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I am sorry you are so brainwashed...really, I am, because it makes the fight against islam so much more difficult when people like you, intelligent and thoughtful, endorse and support it.

Religion is like a shackle but instead of being around your feet it is a shackling of the mind.
I often feel my mind was much more shackled when I was a young man strafing Vietnam Villages with Napalm. At one time I was filled with pride when I would see the recon pictures of the charred bodies in the street. Later that pride turned to shame when I remembered how many of those bodies were no more than babies.



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Then the nightmares began and haunted me for many years.

Seeing pictures of children in villages I strafed makes me wonder what type monster would create such a horrible weapon and brainwash us young idealistic pilots to think we were preserving democracy.

Islam has helped reduce the nightly vision of Nam I used to fight each night when I tried to sleep.

The love and hope of forgiveness I have found in Islam and the Qur'an has given me the strength to finally forgive myself and seek to give restitution to the lives I destroyed.

I do not see Islam as a shackle, I have found it to be the key that has released me and threw my shackles away.

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Old 10-31-2011, 08:24 PM
 
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The majority of us Muslims are just much appalled over things like that as non-Muslims are. That is not shariah. I do agree this does have to stop. Imams around the world speak out against this daily.

I will not apologize for those who commit atrocities and claim they are Islamic.

I have not read about either of those cases, but neither is sharia no matter what they call it. Sharia does not consider Apostasy a crime. If the man in Afghanistan is to be executed for changing religions, it is not a legal execution under Sharia.

As for the girl drinking beer. I am appalled that would happen in Indonesia. The Indonesians follow the Shafi'i madhab and Drinking beer while illegal, is not a capital offense even under the most extreme interpretations of Sharia and most Shafi'i Judges would either impose a fine or simply scold the accused. Shafi'i judges like the Hanafi are supposed to seek a reason for leniency.
would that be with hot water or a hundred lashes with a wipp??

what kind of punishment would be administered if one was really drunk on hard liquor??? just wondering

just want to add,>> i've had some of my best discusions with god when i was drunk on cruzan rum dark 80 proof.. i tried to talk to god on 151 a couple of nights but he said he couldn't understand me

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Old 10-31-2011, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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would that be with hot water or a hundred lashes with a wipp??

what kind of punishment would be administered if one was really drunk on hard liquor??? just wondering

just want to add,>> i've had some of my best discusions with god when i was drunk on cruzan rum dark 80 proof.. i tried to talk to god on 151 a couple of nights but he said he couldn't understand me
The punishment is at the discretion of the court. Like all courts they will differ by locale. In Indonesia it would most probably be a warning on the first offense and caning or a choice between jail time vs canining for a subsequent offense.. In Saudi it would depend on what area it was in. most probably either a fine or jail on a first offense and lashes along with jail time for future offenses. In Turkey most probably a strong warning. In a North African country I will not name it wouldn't surprise me if the judge pulled out a bottle and offered the offender a drink.

There is no set punishment for drinking however, it is specific it is to be appropriate for the region. All that is said is a punishment must be rendered and harsher if the accused is a repeat offender. If it is in a country that follows the Hanafi or shafi'i madhab the court is required to be as lenient as possible.

I had a friend (past tense) who used to down Ronrico purple label by the shot and have a glass of Silver label as a chaser. He died at about the age of 24.that was nearly 50 years ago. At that time I was a Gin and 7 drinker, first thing I would down after returning from a flight and hitting the OC

In my younger days I did learn that in Texas opening a can of beer in public in Grimes county will get you 3 days in Jail and a $210 fine.
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Old 10-31-2011, 09:34 PM
 
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apologies for islam does not work here... all he says is "oh thats not islam" well guess what.. sharia law and all the KILLING IS YOUR ISLAM
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Old 10-31-2011, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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apologies for islam does not work here... all he says is "oh thats not islam" well guess what.. sharia law and all the KILLING IS YOUR ISLAM


Sorry that is not Islam. You are listening to the media and mistaking Wahabi'ism, Salafi'ism, and Jafari'ism for Sunni Sharia

Over 85% of the world's Muslims are Sunni and follow the Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali or Shafi'i madhab of Shariah.

Virtually every terrorist and extremist has been Wahabi, Salafi or following the Jafari'i madhab. ( a qualifying statement for the Jafari'i madhab, while it is extreme, it has been pretty well confined to Iran )

Nearly every Sunni sees them as heretical groups and not followers of Islam. Yes, we have to accept them as Muslims, but they most certainly are not following any of the 4 Madhabs of Islam. (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i or Hanbali)

The Extremists and Terrorists have been coming from predominately radical Shariah Madhabs. which contain less than 10% of the world's Muslims.

Sunni sharia has worked in US Muslim communities ever since there has been a US. It has only been recent that a move has begun to stop us from using Sharia for civil/family law involving only consenting Muslims. This trend began with Oklahoma and has now spread to about 20 States. We are only wanting the same rights the Jews have in every state and a return of what we had for over 400 years.

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