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Old 12-20-2011, 10:40 PM
 
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Question:

Where does this 'feel' come from, that you mentioned in above list?

Where is that 'feel' generated from?

Does a spirit, a seperate spirit help induce that 'feel'?
Or is it generated from ones own enternal organs from simply following a moraly structured life...like say the Scouts creed of honor...


Most of us agree with a stuff when it is discussable based on science and logic, when we talk about god the firstly question is " who is god " and afterward we have to prove his existence based on logical proofs and bring some acceptable evidence.Finally we will reach to this step that : yes this world ,all things in in it has been made by an existence mentioned god and.....and....and......
As you observe this discussion is scientific and discursive. in such proving we intend to create a connection between material world and a supernatural creator who has created all substances and beings .well , finally we confess rationally : yes, god exist . But what we have accepted and confirmed is void of any human affect and hearty feeling.In this step we are like a computer which it confirm a logical program . also it is similar we say : Mr. Jone is a novel writer and we accept, he is, but we haven't any particular sense to him yet. If we study his books and see his novels is very attractive and remarkable we feel an interest , love or veneration to him because now we have recognized him hearty and sensibly and this plenary sense guided us to his real character. May you see some persons are unread but know god and love him. Anyhow , recognizing god hearty and with human affection is topmost recognizing and it conduce supreme faith ( of course along obeying of god ,worshiping and doing good actions). if you attend to god , god will be attending you so he will guide you more and show you the solutions how you exit from darkness of doubts and problems ( logically or feelingly ). So, some feeling you asked is from your affection which you feel you are right and some is the gifts from god which he will give you metaphysically.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Thanks ..I will look a little more closely as well but must say ...Mexico has an almost zero Islamic population so its hard to see a way clear to that statistic your introducing....you see how this stuff cannot be trusted? I will do more looking later and follow your lead if you are so inclined.
Islam is essentially outlawed in Mexico. Mosques can not be identified as such and it is illegal to publically show anything that may bee seen as an Islamic symbol. Most of the Hispanics converting are in the USA. Especially in Texas.

However there are Muslims in Mexico and can be seen at prayer times. but they do not get counted in the "Official" statistics. However you can find them if you look. For example: Mexican Muslims - Meet Muslims in Mexico - LoveHabibi

You have to look in odd places to make contact with Muslims in Mexico. Unfortunatly the Chiapas region has some extreme radicals that seem more interested in over throwing the Mexican government than following Islam. the Muslims in the Frontera Estados and Mexico city are very much moderates. You can find out a little about them HERE

There are a number of Hispanic Islamic centers in the USA such as HERE

My oldest Grand Daughter in Dallas goes to a Hispanic Mosque there. She is mixed race and while being primarily oriental she appears Hispanic and her Husband is from Mexico.

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Old 12-21-2011, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Islam is essentially outlawed in Mexico. Mosques can not be identified as such and it is illegal to publically show anything that may bee seen as an Islamic symbol. Most of the Hispanics converting are in the USA. Especially in Texas.

However there are Muslims in Mexico and can be seen at prayer times. but they do not get counted in the "Official" statistics. However you can find them if you look. For example: Mexican Muslims - Meet Muslims in Mexico - LoveHabibi

You have to look in odd places to make contact with Muslims in Mexico. Unfortunatly the Chiapas region has some extreme radicals that seem more interested in over throwing the Mexican government than following Islam. the Muslims in the Frontera Estados and Mexico city are very much moderates. You can find out a little about them HERE

There are a number of Hispanic Islamic centers in the USA such as HERE

My oldest Grand Daughter in Dallas goes to a Hispanic Mosque there. She is mixed race and while being primarily oriental she appears Hispanic and her Husband is from Mexico.
That sure would be one epic battle...if islam ever took root in Mexico...the middle eastern brand of Islam...

Al Quida/Taliban/Wahabee/Sunni/Shia vs all the drug lords down there...

Boy would that be one epic battle...
One side motivated by power and greed, the other side motivated by divine calling...

That would make a good movie...
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:51 AM
 
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Islam which means peace will help you get a peace of mind. It humbles a person by keeping them focused on god (the english word for Allah). They do this by praying 5 time per day. It is very hard to be muslim. It takes lots of decipline but once you truly understand what islam stands for there are not many that can say there is anything wrong with it. The difference in Jews, Christians, and Muslims are actually not that far off from each other. Muslims believe that there is one god and Muhammad along with Moses and Jesus are his messengers. Because of all of the changes in the world it is believed that Muhammad would be the final messenger to deliver his words one last time without it being tampered with. The strong belief in Islam comes from the fact that the first Quran is still around and can be translated by anyone who seeks the information. It will provide you with a healthy way of life if you follow the Quran to a "T". No matter what anyone tells you or tries to change the meanings of words always remember ISLAM MEANS PEACE.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:15 AM
 
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I will self edit myself here, cause i don't feel the question I asked was a fair one....

Last edited by Time and Space; 12-21-2011 at 02:51 AM..
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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Most of us agree with a stuff when it is discussable based on science and logic, when we talk about god the firstly question is " who is god " and afterward we have to prove his existence based on logical proofs and bring some acceptable evidence.Finally we will reach to this step that : yes this world ,all things in in it has been made by an existence mentioned god and.....and....and......
As you observe this discussion is scientific and discursive. in such proving we intend to create a connection between material world and a supernatural creator who has created all substances and beings .well , finally we confess rationally : yes, god exist . But what we have accepted and confirmed is void of any human affect and hearty feeling.In this step we are like a computer which it confirm a logical program . also it is similar we say : Mr. Jone is a novel writer and we accept, he is, but we haven't any particular sense to him yet. If we study his books and see his novels is very attractive and remarkable we feel an interest , love or veneration to him because now we have recognized him hearty and sensibly and this plenary sense guided us to his real character. May you see some persons are unread but know god and love him. Anyhow , recognizing god hearty and with human affection is topmost recognizing and it conduce supreme faith ( of course along obeying of god ,worshiping and doing good actions). if you attend to god , god will be attending you so he will guide you more and show you the solutions how you exit from darkness of doubts and problems ( logically or feelingly ). So, some feeling you asked is from your affection which you feel you are right and some is the gifts from god which he will give you metaphysically.
This is a good post manss
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Boston MA
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Sadly many people do believe we are commanded to kill non-Muslims.
Isn't religion glorious?

For what it's worth, your above comment contradicts your other earlier posts. You made it seem as if Islamic violence was only perpetrated by "a handful of perverts"; but, apparently that isn't the case...
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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In simplicity that is it. However, we do not earn heaven through doing good. We are allowed to enter heaven by the mercy of Allaah(swt) and that he will forgive us our shortcomings by our asking for forgiveness with a contrite heart and full sincerity.
So you don't enter Paradise based on your works of righteousness outweighing your sin? Do they not contribute to your faith?

"To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward," (Surah 5:9).
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Isn't religion glorious?

For what it's worth, your above comment contradicts your other earlier posts. You made it seem as if Islamic violence was only perpetrated by "a handful of perverts"; but, apparently that isn't the case...
to me even one person believing such is many, way too many. As for the percentage of Muslims who believe such the actual perventage is very small less that 10% but that still means their could be as many as 150,000 10% of 1.5 billion. a very small percentage, but a very large number.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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So you don't enter Paradise based on your works of righteousness outweighing your sin? Do they not contribute to your faith?

"To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward," (Surah 5:9).
Uh, I'm no scholar in the Qur'an, but that quote right there states one need to do two things: believe, and do deeds of righteousness. Wouldn't believing involve what Woodrow has stated? The whole bit of asking for forgiveness?
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