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Old 11-27-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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5. Does Islam recognize women as equals ? Explain.
Islam is the only Abrahamic Faith that gives woman equal rights as men. Todays equal rights for woman do not came from the bible, but from Civil law and is not the result of a Religion.

In Islam a woman's equality is spelled out clearly.

The Quran makes it clear that Women and Men are equal in the eyes of God

One of the most misunderstood areas in Islam is that of the position of women in the religion. The general perception in the West is that Muslim women are subjugated and almost seen as property. While not all Muslims deal with women as inferior, this is unfortunately true in some segments of the Muslim world and this treatment is supposedly justified by the religion. However, when we look at the basis of the religion, the Quran, we see a very different picture. In the Quran God makes it very clear that men and women are equal.

[3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another. Thus, those who immigrate, and get evicted from their homes, and are persecuted because of Me, and fight and get killed, I will surely remit their sins and admit them into gardens with flowing streams." Such is the reward from GOD. GOD possesses the ultimate reward.

[4:124] As for those who lead a righteous life, male or female, while believing, they enter Paradise; without the slightest injustice.

Guaranteed Happiness Now and Forever

[16:97] Anyone who works righteousness, male or female, while believing, we will surely grant them a happy life in this world, and we will surely pay them their full recompense (on the Day of Judgment) for their righteous works.

Equality of Men and Women

[33:35] The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men, the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women; GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.

[40:40] Whoever commits a sin is requited for just that, and whoever works righteousness - male or female - while believing, these will enter Paradise wherein they receive provisions without any limits.

The Only Criterion For Distinguishing Among The People

[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.


How is it that such clear verses can be ignored? Why are women treated so poorly in some Muslim communities? The answer lies in the fact that those communities take other sources besides the Quran as the basis of their religion. There are many Hadith that denigrate women. Also the pre-Islamic cultures of much of the Muslim world did not value women and had little use for them. The following verses demonstrate this fact:

When one of them gets a baby girl, his face becomes darkened with overwhelming grief. Ashamed, he hides from the people, because of the bad news given to him. He even ponders: should he keep the baby grudgingly, or bury her in the dust. Miserable indeed is their judgment.(16:58-59)

When one of them is given news (of a daughter) as they claimed for the Most Gracious, his face is darkened with misery and anger! (They say,) "What is good about an offspring that is brought up to be beautiful, and cannot help in war?" (43:17-18)

Such attitudes can still be seen among some Muslims. Contrast this with the attitude and practice of the prophet Muhammad himself as demonstrated by his willingness to debate with a woman about her husband:

GOD has heard the woman who debated with you about her husband, and complained to GOD. GOD heard everything the two of you discussed. GOD is Hearer, Seer. (58:1)

One does not debate with someone who is inferior, you simply tell him or her what to do. Muhammad also spoke with his wives as equals, though they were not always worthy of his trust:

The prophet had trusted some of his wives with a certain statement, then one of them spread it, and GOD let him know about it. He then informed his wife of part of the issue, and disregarded part. She asked him, "Who informed you of this?" He said, "I was informed by the Omniscient, Most Cognizant." (66:3)

It is clear from these verses that Muhammad dealt with women equitably, in spite of the culture that surrounded him. Thus, in his own life he demonstrated the equality of men and women just as he preached it from the Quran.

As culture affects the way women are perceived and treated in Muslim communities, it affects things in the Western world. It is significant that in the Bible God is referred to with the masculine pronoun and called Father. No wonder that in the West God is thought of as being masculine. This is not the case in the Quran, however. God is without gender in the Quran. Why should God have a gender when all He needs do is say “Be” and it is?

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Old 11-27-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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6. Do Muslims desire Islam Sharia Law to come to America (approx. 70% of all Muslims believe in Sharia Law) ? Explain why it would be better for the U.S.
It seems very few non-Muslims understand Shariah. Shariah simply means the Path to the watering hole and is a metaphorfor any set of laws. The shariah of Turkey is not the same as the sharia of Saudi and is not the same as the shariah of Indonesia.

There are 4 accepted Shariah among the sunni and 2 heretical one. The is one set of shariah among the Shi'i and the Sufi follow no Madhab of shariah.

Most Americans see the Madhabs of Jafarri and wahabi and assume that is what shariah is. Even though both of those madhabs together contain only about 2% of the world's Muslims.

In America most Muslims are Sunni and follow either the Hanafi or Shafii Madhabs and use Shariah only for civil matters following the law of the land for criminal matters. Shariah can only apply to Muslims and non-Muslims are not permitted to use shariah. Shariah does not apply to non-Muslims.

All Muslims are urged to learn about all the madhabs, but must select only one to follow. we are not allowed to pick the best out of each one. We follow a Madhab of our choosing, but follow it completly.

Here is a link that will explain a little about the Shariah Madhabs followed by most Muslims in various countries:

Sunni Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-27-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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7. It is my understanding that Allah as Creator, is so far above and beyond humanity , that, it is not possible to have a dynamic personal relationship with him ; why would Allah go to great lengths by showing his love thru providing the many right conditions for earth to be here (and sustain them) so humans could have a place to call home....yet he refuses to make himself approachable on a personal relationship basis ? When we see on TV Muslims praying in public, what specifically are they praying about if there is no personal relationship possible with Allah ?
Allaah(swt) is above all that he has created and is not part of his creation. He has no need for us, we have a need for him. this physical existance is a gift to us, so that we may learn to be servents of Allaah(swt) and overcome the trials placed before us, to become of the chosen for eternity in Jannah. We will be judged fairly and with mercy for all we do here on earth and will be rewarded for the good, and punished for the bad. Allaah(swt) is very close to all of us as he knows our thoughts and intentions even better then we do ourselves. We do know that in his mercy he has made our future to be the result of our own free will and choices. Each of us can reach Jannah up to the time of our last breath. Allaah(swt) has sent us prophets(PBUH) and the Qur'an as guides to show us how to follow the path to Jannah.

Our prayers are of 2 types, the Salah which is what you usually see on TV which is more like a simple religious service, That we are obligated to do 5 times daily.

We also do our own personal Du'as which are more like what Christians call prayer, we do them in any language, in any place and at any time. These are our personal communications with Allaah(swt) Muslims do feel a very close connection with Allah(swt) and feel he is closer to us than even our own veins. We feel Allaah(swt) answers every prayer and will always do what is best for us. It is always up to us to either accept or reject what Allaah(swt) provides for us.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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8 . Please explain ,specifically, the heavenly eternal rewards that await the faithful Muslim and what must one do to acquire them .

Thanks for your time and consideration.
Eternal life, Eternal joy, Eternal presence of Allaah(swt), no needs or unfilled desires.

Anything we desire be it any physical joy, Spiritual comfort or any combination. There will be no sins and all in heaven will be free from sin.

The material joys are beyond descriptions, we (Men and women) shall be greeted by the purest of companions created for our benefit alone. We will be free to share joys with all who have reached Jannah and all partake of gifts beyond our imaginations. The greatest thing we can desire on earth will be among the smallest of gifts we will receive in Jannah.

The physical aspects of jannah such as rivers flowing with the purest of wines that will not intoxicate no matter how much is consumed, endless gardens with an abundance of the best things from earth. Any size or type of home we desire. All our desires filled and an endless bounty of more that we can not even envision.

To acquire them one only needs to Ask Allaah(swt) for forgiveness and sincerely repent for our failures. All sins can be forgiven except for the sin of shirk which if we have not repented of before death will result in eternal damnation. We believe that all Muslims will eventually reach Jannah, but we may need to spend some time in Hell to atone for the evil we have done.

Shirk is the sin of applying equals, partners or children to God(swt). which is why we see Christianity as harmful and an almost certain road to eternal damnation. to die unrepentant of the sin of praying to Jesus(as) would be dieing with the unrepentant sin of shirk.
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Old 11-27-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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Well how could God put all the Christians in hell who are responsible for the conveniences enjoyed by Muslim believers? I don"t understand how driving a car, medicine and on and on can be good enough for acknowledged worthiness in effort for use, although not good enough through integrity of effort to avoid this eternal death idea. Anyway ...I couldn't be comfortable knowing so many people or anyone as its properly described,, would actually be headed in this direction...how can you get your tooth filled by a dentist who you believe... God is going to drill to the bone indefinately...conflict of interest?

If this action is believed, it is understood to be welcome and deserved....if its welcomed and deserved where does that leave earthly association with non-Islamic people? IOW. I believe Allah
is going to put you in this "place" if you do not come around to the Islamic belief, this is what you deserve...... If this is what people deserve who are not muslim, how can relations go forward at all?

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Old 11-27-2011, 09:10 PM
 
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Well how could God put all the Christians in hell who are responsible for the conveniences enjoyed by Muslim believers? I don"t understand how driving a car, medicine and on and on can be good enough for acknowledged worthiness in effort for use, although not good enough through integrity of effort to avoid this eternal death idea. Anyway ...I couldn't be comfortable knowing so many people or anyone as its properly described,, would actually be headed in this direction...how can you get your tooth filled by a dentist who you believe... God is going to drill to the bone indefinately...conflict of interest?
Actually the Qur'an does state Christians can go to heaven. God(swt) is all merciful he would not judge a person on what they do not know. However as a Muslim I and all other Muslims are aware shirk is the only unforgivable sin. we would have no reason to believe we were doing right if we prayed to Jesus(as). We also believe all people will be rewarded for their good.

We do know that all who die as Muslims will reach heaven, but we do not know who will die as a Muslim (In submission to God) It is always possible God(swt) will accept any who submits to the best of their ability as a Muslim. We do know that young Children and those who do not know of Islam will be judged only upon their ability and what they know.

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Old 11-27-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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Actually the Qur'an does state Christians can go to heaven. God(swt) is all merciful he would not judge a person on what they do not know. However as a Muslim I and all other Muslims are aware shirk is the only unforgivable sin. we would have no reason to believe we were doing right if we prayed to Jesus(as). We also believe all people will be rewarded for their good.

We do know that all who die as Muslims will reach heaven, but we do not know who will die as a Muslim (In submission to God) It is always possible God(swt) will accept any who submits to the best of their ability as a Muslim. We do know that young Children and those who do not know of Islam will be judged only upon their ability and what they know.
Thanks for explanation, I'm sure 007 is putting together a reply for the entries. It seems a softer landing although we know all Muslims believe differently as you previously explained, The Suret is very legalistic and a harsh property of the Quran. As you mentioned it is not a demand to believe, although many we see in the world attempt to enforce. My research suggests historians believe this area divides the Quran into two writers not one. Also apparently Mohammad was a Christian, the influential Jews at the time rejected his leadership. The Jews dominated the region with absolute influence and this is at the root of Mohammed's beginnings Also I don"t think those moon shots were very compelling....reason being the difference in surface texture wouldn't of had anything to do with the supposed split , were talking about a few hundred yrs...opposed to billions in years of degradation...plus the original heat period of absolute chaotic happenings.....the line of demarcation is suggested virtually in all, by surface texture alone from quite a distance....the trench shots are all up close and meander in every direction

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Old 11-27-2011, 10:03 PM
 
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Woodrow, thanks for the informative posts on Islamic beliefs. There is so much propaganda and misinformation out there, so thanks for counteracting that with information on what Muslims really believe.

I'd rep you, but the system says I have to spread some around.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:21 PM
 
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Thanks for explanation, I'm sure 007 is putting together a reply for the entries. It seems a softer landing although we know all Muslims believe differently as you previously explained, The Suret is very legalistic and a harsh property of the Quran. As you mentioned it is not a demand to believe, although many we see in the world attempt to enforce. My research suggests historians believe this area divides the Quran into two writers not one. Also apparently Mohammad was a Christian, the influential Jews at the time rejected his leadership. The Jews dominated the region with absolute influence and this is at the root of the Islamic beginnings
Muhammad(PBUH)'s family was monotheistic. That is about all that is known for certain.

The surah (Suret for the Plural) are what one would call chapters in English. An ayyah is a single line, the plural being ayyat. I think you may be referring to the ahadith were you wrote Suret.

The Qur'an was written in 2 distinct eras, the Makkan era being in a much harsher tone than the earlier era. This is probably because it was a time of very intense warfare between Arabs and Jews. The Arabs of Makkah were very vicious pagans and somewhat brutal prior to accepting Islam. the Jews of Makkah never did accept it and waged a continuous war against all Arabs both the Muslims and those who had not accepted Islam. The Suret revealed during this era were very sharp, legalistic and very blunt.

It was a very difficult era and involved numerous wars.
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Old 11-27-2011, 10:29 PM
 
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Woodrow, thanks for the informative posts on Islamic beliefs. There is so much propaganda and misinformation out there, so thanks for counteracting that with information on what Muslims really believe.

I'd rep you, but the system says I have to spread some around.
Your thought is appreciated.

The Western world does have a very narrow view of the Islamic world. Mostly based on a very small segment of the world's Muslims and with misunderstandings.

We are like ice cream we come in different flavors. although many wear the name of Muslim, not all follow Islam.
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