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Old 11-27-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Thank you for being willing to answer these questions which to now, no Muslim has adequately done. If you desire source info on the following questions/statements below, just let me know and i shall provide ; otherwise ill assume you know they are bonified Muslim beliefs -----

1. By comparison to Christ, what eye witness and recorded real miracles did Mohammed perform to prove he was really a prophet from God ?

2. Why do Muslims hold Mohammed in such high esteem and as a good qualified Leader, when he is historically shown to have been married to a 12 year old girl and thus a Rapist / he did not allow his closest Followers to have the same amount of wives / he pillaged local Caravans of their goods as they passed thru. ? Do Muslims hold Mohammed as an upright moral person ?

3. The Quran doesnt have Jesus dying on the cross but instead, it was actually one of his Disciples who was on that cross ... thereby fooling all of Jesus' Disciples who were present there at the time ------- Disciples who had lived with Jesus, ate with him, travelled with him, buried him in grave clothing, and who willfully gave up their lives for him. Do you truly think they would be fooled if it was anyone other than Jesus on the cross ?

4. Muslims like to tell us that their religion is one of peace, but even fundamentally, The Quran exhorts persecutors of Islam to be done away with at the hands of Muslims . Explain .

5. Does Islam recognize women as equals ? Explain.

6. Do Muslims desire Islam Sharia Law to come to America (approx. 70% of all Muslims believe in Sharia Law) ? Explain why it would be better for the U.S.

7. It is my understanding that Allah as Creator, is so far above and beyond humanity , that, it is not possible to have a dynamic personal relationship with him ; why would Allah go to great lengths by showing his love thru providing the many right conditions for earth to be here (and sustain them) so humans could have a place to call home....yet he refuses to make himself approachable on a personal relationship basis ? When we see on TV Muslims praying in public, what specifically are they praying about if there is no personal relationship possible with Allah ?

8 . Please explain ,specifically, the heavenly eternal rewards that await the faithful Muslim and what must one do to acquire them .

Thanks for your time and consideration.
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Old 11-27-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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A very good list I must say. these are very legitimate questions and I will do my best to answer them all.

One at a time and just address each singularly giving you time to comment before moving to the next.

The last 20 years of Muhammad's life are probably the most eye witness accounts of any person in history. Virtually everything he said and did was recorded by his followers, friends, family and even enemies and preserved as the Ahadith.


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Thank you for being willing to answer these questions which to now, no Muslim has adequately done. If you desire source info on the following questions/statements below, just let me know and i shall provide ; otherwise ill assume you know they are bonified Muslim beliefs -----

1. By comparison to Christ, what eye witness and recorded real miracles did Mohammed perform to prove he was really a prophet from God ?
Muhammad(PBUH)was a somewhat reluctant Prophet. He did not initially want to be one and did not want to believe he was a Prophet. The greatest miracle produced by God(swt) through Muhammad(PBUH) is the Qur'an itself. Muhammad(PBUH) was uneducated and illiterate. The written Arabic Language was only in use for about 100 years and the Qur'an is essentially the first book ever written using the Arabic Alphabet. At the time the Qur'an was revealed there were at least 7 arabic dialects being spoken in the region. each dialect being to a large part a different language and the speaker of one dialect being unable to understand the dialect of another. The Qur'an is the only work using the tajweed dialect and was the first use of it. Yet, every listener of it understood it even though they could not understand the dialects spoken by their neighbors. The same still holds true. No matter what dialect of Arabic a person speaks they can understand the tajweed of the Qur'an. This miracle has been witnessed by every Arabic speaker who ever heard the Qur'an.

Another miracle of the Qur'an is the rhyming nature of it. Arabic does not lend itself well to rhyming and it is almost impossible to write an Arabic rhyme that makes sense. Yet the Qur'an carries the same rhythm for 114 Surat (about 600 pages) and carries the same level of understanding as if it were prose.

The Most witnessed Miracle performed through Muhammad(PBUH) is the splitting of the Moon at his command. This was done before a group who doubted he was a Prophet.

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Did The Prophet Muhammad split the moon as a miracle?

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate

The Last Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic.’ (54:1-2)

The miracle of the splitting of the moon was demonstrated before a certain gathering who persisted in denial of Muhammad’s Prophethood. As was related by ‘Adbullah ibn Mas‘ud, while they were in Mina’ one night, the Prophet split the moon into two by a gesture of his index finger. The halves of the moon appeared one behind the mountain and the other in front of it. Then, the Prophet turned to us and said: ‘Be witnesses!’ [1]

The splitting of the moon happened momentarily at a time of night

The Qur’an refers to this miracle in the following verses:

The Last Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’. (al-Qamar, 54.1-2)

Some say 'If the splitting of the moon had taken place, it would have been known to the whole world and related in all subsequent books of human history’.

Answer: The splitting of the moon was demonstrated before a certain gathering who contradicted the Prophet Muhammad in his cause as an evidence of his Prophethood. It happened momentarily at a time of night. Also, there were obstacles which prevented the others from seeing it, such as mist, clouds and time-differences between different parts of the world. Besides, at that time science and civilization were not yet well advanced and not widespread, and, therefore, the observation of the sky was limited. There was nothing to necessitate that it should have been seen all over the world. It is because of these reasons that the splitting of the moon was not witnessed in the whole world and related in the history books of other nations (except that some studies suggest it was seen in India and was recorded). We deem it useful to mention the following five points concerning the event.
First point

The extreme stubbornness of the unbelievers in the Hijaz at that time is well-known and is recorded in history. When the Qur’an, however, announced this incident to the whole world through its verse, The moon split, not any of those unbelievers, who denied the Qur’an, dared to contradict it in this announcement. If this incident had not occurred before their eyes, they would certainly have taken this verse as a pretext to attack the Prophet more formidably in his cause. However, neither the biographies of the Prophet, nor the books of history report anything to suggest that they denied the occurrence of this incident. What was reported concerning their reaction is as the verse records: They say, ‘This is evident magic’. The unbelievers declared the event to be magic, and they added further that if the caravans in other places had seen it, it truly happened, otherwise the Prophet bewitched them. When, however, the caravans coming the following morning from the Yemen and other places announced that they had witnessed the event, the unbelievers showed their usual reaction, saying,–God forbid!–‘The magic of Abu Talib’s orphan has affected even the heavens!’
Second point

The majority of the foremost scholars, after carrying out meticulous research, such as Sa’du'd-Din al-Taftazani, concluded that like the flowing of water from the fingers of the Prophet, and the grieving of the dry wooden pole–against which the Prophet used to lean while delivering sermons–because of its separation from him, and its being heard by a whole congregation, the splitting of the moon, too, is mutawatir, that is, it has been transmitted down the generations by one truthful group after another, and that the transmitters form such a vast community that they would be unable to agree on a lie. It is as certain as Haley's comet, which appeared 1,000 years before (its last appearance in 1986), or the existence of an island we have not seen.
Third point

Prophets work miracles to prove their claim of Prophethood and to convince deniers, not to compel belief. Therefore, every miracle had to be, and was, manifested to convince those who heard the claim of Prophethood. So, if they had been demonstrated in a way that could be seen by the whole world or would compel everyone to believe, this would have been contrary both to the wisdom of the All-Wise and the Divine purpose for creating man with free will, and sending religion, which entails that the ground be prepared for the mind’s acceptance without the power of choice being annulled. If, then, the All-Wise Creator had, because materialist philosophers fancy it so, left the moon split for one or two hours in order that it would be seen by the whole world and recorded in all books of human history, then it would have been no more than other astronomical events, without having been special to the Messengership of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, and an evidence of his Prophethood. Or, it would have been such an obvious miracle that everyone would have felt compelled to believe for there would have been left for the will no way but to accept belief in him. This, in turn, would have resulted in that someone with a coal-like spirit like Abu Jahl would have remained at the same level as someone with a diamond-like spirit like Abu Bakr the Truthful, which means that the purpose of the creation of man with a special function and responsibility and the purpose of sending revelation would have been negated. That is why the miracle of the splitting of the moon was not shown to the whole world to be recorded in all books of human history.
Fourth point

Some argue that if that incident had taken place, it would have been mentioned in the histories of such nations as the Chinese, the Japanese and Americans. How could they have witnessed it, given that, when this event happened, in addition to other obstacles, it was barely sunset in such European countries as Spain, France and England, daytime in America and morning in China and Japan.

(In some books there is an additional record that the moon fell to earth after it split into two parts. This was rejected by veracious scholars on account of its being added by a hypocrite who intended to reduce to nothing the value of this evident miracle.)
Fifth point

The splitting of the moon is not an ordinary incident which happened either due to particular causes or randomly so that it should be criticized from the viewpoint of the law of cause and effect. Rather, the All-Wise Creator of the sun and the moon made it happen as an extraordinary event in order to confirm the Prophethood of His Messenger and to support him in his claim. Therefore, it was shown as a convincing proof to certain people specified by Divine Wisdom because, as stated above, the nature of Divine guidance and human responsibility, and the purpose for raising a Messenger required it to be so. If it had not been concealed from the eyes of those who were not intended to see it and who had not yet heard the Prophethood of Muhammad due to some obstacles such as fog, clouds and time-differences, and if had occurred according to the law of cause and effect, then it would have been an ordinary astronomical event, not a miracle peculiar to and connected with the Messengership of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings.

In conclusion, these arguments must be enough for any mind to be convinced of the possibility that the splitting of the moon occurred; now out of many evidences of its occurrence, we shall mention only six which have the strength of a six-fold consensus:

The Companions of the Prophet, who were all men of justice and truthfulness, concurred upon its occurrence.
All of the exacting interpreters of the Qur’an have agreed that the verse, The moon split indicates to the splitting of the moon with a gesture of Muhammad’s fingers, upon him be peace and blessings.
All the truthful Traditionists narrated this incident through various authentic channels of transmission.
All the men of truth and sainthood, men of inspiration and spiritual discovery have borne testimony to the occurrence of this incident.
All the foremost theologians whose way differ greatly from each other and all the learned scholars have nevertheless agreed in their confirmation of this event.
The Community of Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, who, as established by an authentic Prophetic tradition, never agree on an error, have accepted on its occurrence.

These six evidences are as clear as the sun to prove the splitting of the moon.

Conclusion: What we have put forward hitherto on this matter has been to establish the splitting of the moon by way of refuting the objections to the possibility of it. In a few concluding sentences we will now speak in the name of the truth and for the sake of belief. Now it is the turn of the truth to speak:

The Seal of the Prophets, upon him be peace and blessings, who is the luminous moon of the heaven of Messengership, proved his sainthood through his Ascension, which is the greatest miracle of his sainthood achieved through the quality of his worship–so elevated as to make him the beloved of God. In other words, by making Muhammad, an earthly being, travel through the heavens, God showed to the dwellers of the heavens and of the highest realms his superiority to them and his being His beloved. Similarly, through the splitting of the moon, which is set in the sky and bound to the earth, upon the gesture of the same earthly being, another great miracle was demonstrated for the inhabitants of the earth as an evidence of the Messengership of that earthly being. Thus, the Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, flew to the summit of perfections on the two brilliant wings of Messengership and sainthood–like the two bright halves of the moon split into two; he ascended so near as to the distance of two bowstrings–that is, to the highest rank, the nearest station to God–and so became the cause of pride of both the beings of the heavens and the inhabitants of the earth.
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A very good list I must say. these are very legitimate questions and I will do my best to answer them all.

One at a time and just address each singularly giving you time to comment before moving to the next.




Muhammad(PBUH)was a somewhat reluctant Prophet. He did not initially want to be one and did not want to believe he was a Prophet. The greatest miracle produced by God(swt) through Muhammad(PBUH) is the Qur'an itself. Muhammad(PBUH) was uneducated and illiterate. The written Arabic Language was only in use for about 100 years and the Qur'an is essentially the first book ever written using the Arabic Alphabet. At the time the Qur'an was revealed there were at least 7 arabic dialects being spoken in the region. each dialect being to a large part a different language and the speaker of one dialect being unable to understand the dialect of another. The Qur'an is the only work using the tajweed dialect and was the first use of it. Yet, every listener of it understood it even though they could not understand the dialects spoken by their neighbors. The same still holds true. No matter what dialect of Arabic a person speaks they can understand the tajweed of the Qur'an. This miracle has been witnessed by every Arabic speaker who ever heard the Qur'an.

Another miracle of the Qur'an is the rhyming nature of it. Arabic does not lend itself well to rhyming and it is almost impossible to write an Arabic rhyme that makes sense. Yet the Qur'an carries the same rhythm for 114 Surat (about 600 pages) and carries the same level of understanding as if it were prose.

The Most witnessed Miracle performed through Muhammad(PBUH) is the splitting of the Moon at his command. This was done before a group who doubted he was a Prophet.



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So, Mohammed split the moon using his finger and this was his only true miracle , which was granted by Allah . What are the names of the eye witnesses to this event, when did it occur, how do we know this is not an embellished story to give Mohammed undue credibility, and if Allah is an infinitely moral Creator why would he choose a prophet who did not have an impeccable moral record (historically confirmed Rapist, Thief, etc...) .? Lastly, how was the Moon restored to a complete planet again ? Finally : What do the letters 'PBUH' and 'SWT' indicate when you use them ?
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So, Mohammed split the moon using his finger and this was his only true miracle , which was granted by Allah . What are the names of the eye witnesses to this event, when did it occur, how do we know this is not an embellished story to give Mohammed undue credibility, and if Allah is an infinitely moral Creator why would he choose a prophet who did not have an impeccable moral record (historically confirmed Rapist, Thief, etc...) .? Lastly, how was the Moon restored to a complete planet again ? Finally : What do the letters 'PBUH' and 'SWT' indicate when you use them ?
PBUH is used after the names of any Prophet, it is the initials for Peace be Upon Him. This is used after a Prophet who is deceased. We Use as after the name of Jesus(as) as we believe he is still alive and sitting in heaven waiting his return to earth. the as stands for the Arabic Allahi Salaam 'The Peace of God be with Him" We use swt after Allaah (swt) it is for the Arabic "Subhanna Allahi wa Ta'ala" which translates into English roughly as "Glory be to God in the highest who is one with no equals, partners or progeny"

Muhammad(PBUH) Himself never reported any miracles. the splitting of the Moon was reported by Adbullah ibn Mas‘ud, Anas, Ibn Abbas, and in India by CHAKRAWATI FARMAS KING OF MALABAR, INDIA

This dates the moon splitting as being in 629 AD

As to how it was rejoined I have no Idea. Can only say by the same force that split it. It was only split for a few seconds.

Some people are under the impression that evidence of the split is visible on the moon. Keep in mind the split in this video is on the farside of the moon and was not known to exist until the first satellites to the Moon.

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Your other questions are asked in your op and I will get to them when we finish with this.
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2. Why do Muslims hold Mohammed in such high esteem and as a good qualified Leader, when he is historically shown to have been married to a 12 year old girl and thus a Rapist / he did not allow his closest Followers to have the same amount of wives / he pillaged local Caravans of their goods as they passed thru. ? Do Muslims hold Mohammed as an upright moral person ?
Muhammad(PBUH) was held in very high esteem for his honesty as a Merchant and Caravan trader. Even throughout history he is deeply respected by non-Muslims.



For the second part. I first want to know your source that says Muhammad Married a 12 year old.

As for the number of wives. There was no restrictions in the Qur'an until late into the revelation of the Qur'an. Once it was revealed that there was a limit, Muhammad(PBUH) took no additional wives.

The pillaging of the caravans was an act of war. Learn the history. the same people had stolen Muhammad's Caravan and killed his men stealing his property which he recovered.

Yes, we and many non-Muslims do uphold Muhammad as a respected moral person.
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Old 11-27-2011, 06:33 PM
 
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3. The Quran doesnt have Jesus dying on the cross but instead, it was actually one of his Disciples who was on that cross ... thereby fooling all of Jesus' Disciples who were present there at the time ------- Disciples who had lived with Jesus, ate with him, travelled with him, buried him in grave clothing, and who willfully gave up their lives for him. Do you truly think they would be fooled if it was anyone other than Jesus on the cross ?
Do you know that according to the gospels only one apostle is named to have been present at the crucifixion. That was Peter and the Gospel of Peter, is one of the gospels the early councils refused to accept. Every wonder why the Pope declared the gospel of Peter as being gnostic and had it destroyed?

Did you know that few people in the city knew Jesus(as) which is why it was necessary for Judas to identify Jesus with a kiss.

We do not know who took the place of Jesus on the cross. The person is not identified. But we do know that the early bibles mention Jesus was seen sitting in a tree watching the Crucifixtion. Which seems to be inline with the writings in the gnostic gospels.

Also how well can you trust the gospels? They just may have been Greek propaganda for the Greeks to gain control of the people and establish the Catholic/Orthodox Church which rapidly replaced the Ebionites, who were the first followers of Jesus(as).
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Ugh! The religion of ''peace'? All of these were BEFORE 9/11, THEN 17,982 AFTER 9/11 all around the world and IT CONTINUES! Some people will believe, everything that is told them or BRAINWASHED. Just the facts, there are more to post, but rational people understand.

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· LIST OF MAJOR ISLAMIC ATTACKS & PLOTS ON AMERICA…before 9/11
Some people ignore that Islamics have been attacking the United States long before September 11, 2001.
Here is just a sampling:

· 1979 Iran Hostage Crisis: seizure of US Tehran Embassy, Iran (Nov 4, 1979 for 444 days)
1983 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy, Lebanon (April 18, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Marine barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (Oct 23, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Kuwait Embassy (Dec 12, 1983)
1984 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy (again) (Sept 20, 1984)
1984 Kuwait Airlines Flight 221 hijacked to Tehran – American passengers murdered (Dec 3, 1984)
1985 Hijacking TWA Flight 847 hijacked to Beirut (June 14, 1985)
1985 Hijacking cruise ship Achille Lauro, wheelchair-bound American is thrown overboard & killed (Oct 7, 1985)
1986 Bombing Berlin disco frequented by US servicemen (April 5, 1986)
1988 Bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, 100′s murdered (Dec 21, 1988)
1993 First bombing World Trade Center, New York City, 7 Killed, 1,042 wounded (Feb 26, 1993)
1993 Foiled NY Landmarks plot by Omar Abdel Rahman to blow up the Holland and Lincoln tunnels
and other New York City landmarks
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr. during visit to Kuwait (April 14, 1993)
1993 Black Hawk Down: shot down US helicopters in Mogadishu, Somalia,
during Operation Restore Hope (Oct 3-4, 1993)
1994 Plot to assassinate President Clinton during visit to the Philippines
1995 Failed Project Bojinka by Ramzi Yousef to blow up a dozen US airliners over the Pacific (end in Jan 1995)
1995 Bombing US military headquarters, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (Nov 13, 1995)
1996 Bombing Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia, housing U.S. foreign military personnel (Jun 25, 1996)
1998 Bombing U.S. Nairobi Embassy, Kenya, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1998 Bombing U.S. Dar es Salaam Embassy, Tanzania, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1999 Foiled LAX Millennium plot by Ahmed Ressam to bomb Los Angeles International Airport
(Ressam was arrested at US Canadian border)
2000 Failed USS The Sullivans bombing that was refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen. (Jan 3, 2000)
2000 Bombing USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, 17 U.S. Navy sailors murdered (Oct 12, 2000)
(The USS Cole was not engaged in any combat during this period)
2000 Bombing plaza across from US Manila Embassy (Dec 30, 2000)
2001 9/11 attacks: World Trade Center, Flight 93, Pentagon, 3000+ murdered (Sept 11, 2001)


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· 148
more than 148 infidels slaughtered in the name of Islam since Whoopi and Joy walked off the show ... details :
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2010.10.21 Philippines Matalam 9 6 An Islamist insurgency group is suspected in the bombing of a bus that leaves nine civilians dead.
2010.10.20 Thailand Yala 1 1 Muslim radicals gun down a 27-year-old laborer.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Herat 4 0 Four policemen are slaughtered in a Mujahideen ambush
2010.10.20 Pakistan Miranshah 1 0 An Afghan civilian is kidnapped and murdered by Islamic extremists.
2010.10.20 Iraq Mosul 5 0 Two women and a 13-year-old girl are among a family of five massacred in their home by Sunni militants.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 0 A man and his 8-year-old daughter are brutally slain by religious hardliners.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Nimroz 8 6 Eight civilians are disassembled by a Sunni bomb blast.
2010.10.19 Chechnya Grozny 3 17 A coordinated Fedayeen assault on a government building leaves three victims dead.
2010.10.19 Iraq Tikrit 10 4 Children are among the casualties when Islamic militants blow up a home.
2010.10.19 Iraq Samarrah 3 2 Three Iraqis are blown apart by Jihadi bombers.
2010.10.19 Ingushetia Malgobek 1 0 Islamic militants gun down a cop.
2010.10.19 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 Boko Haram Islamists shoot a police officer to death in a drive-by attack.
2010.10.19 Pakistan Khyber 3 3 Mujahideen murder three local security personnel with a remote-controlled bomb.
2010.10.18 Pakistan Lakki Marwat 0 14 Women and children are among the casualties when a suicide bomber detonates at an intersection.
2010.10.18 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 65-year-old man is shot in the head by terrorists while shopping with his daughter.
2010.10.18 Afghanistan Gereshk 9 0 Nine security guards are gunned down by Sunni radicals.
2010.10.18 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Mujahideen shoot an elderly man to death inside his home.
2010.10.18 Afghanistan Heart 3 0 Three civilians bleed out following a Taliban roadside blast.
2010.10.18 Iraq Baghdad 1 8 Islamists assassinate a local politician with a bomb.
2010.10.18 Iraq Mosul 2 7 A Shahid suicide bomber kills one Iraqi.
2010.10.17 Afghanistan Farah 8 20 The Taliban claim to have killed eight humanitarian workers in an attack on their project.
2010.10.17 Pakistan Hangu 1 0 A peace activist is murdered by Tehreek-e-Taliban gunmen.
2010.10.17 Iraq Baghdad 4 7 A doctor is among four Iraqis taken down by Jihadi bombers.
2010.10.17 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Suspected Muslim insurgents take out two local cops in a drive-by shooting.
2010.10.17 Pakistan Orakzai 2 0 Two people are beheaded by Islamic militants, who then post their heads at a bazaar.
2010.10.16 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 Two police officers are gunned down at point-blank range by Islamic terrorists.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 2 A civilian is incinerated when Mujahideen blow up a fuel tanker.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 4 A motorbike bomb blast kills a civilian.
2010.10.16 Yemen Zinjibar 3 2 al-Qaeda militants send three local soldiers to Allah via a roadside blast.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Uruzgan 2 7 Hardliners murder two civilians with a roadside bomb.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Kalat 1 1 Suspected Islamists murder the driver of a NATO supply vehicle.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Orakzai 4 6 Four villagers are murdered by Mujahideen attackers.
2010.10.15 Afghanistan Zabul 9 2 Nine civilians, including three women and one child, are taken apart by a Taliban IED blast.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Khyber 2 0 Religious hardliners set fire to a truck, burning the driver and a passenger to death.
2010.10.14 Iraq Mosul 1 2 Islamic radicals detonate a bomb on a bridge, killing at least one.
2010.10.14 Nigeria Bauchi 1 0 Islamists assassinate a police officer guarding a private residence.
2010.10.14 Iraq Diala 4 7 Four people are killed when Islamic terrorists attempt to kill a member of parliament.
2010.10.14 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists murder a bank teller riding a motorcyle.
2010.10.14 Iraq Baghdad 3 7 Three Iraqis, including a university professor, are murdered in a series of bomb attacks.
2010.10.14 Pakistan Sararogha 5 1 At least five local soldiers are killed in a Taliban ambush.
2010.10.14 Yemen Abyan 5 8 An al-Qaeda ambush on a local military convoy leaves five dead.
2010.10.14 Yemen Mudia 2 1 al-Qaeda attempts to assassinate a government official, but kills his brother instead.
2010.10.14 Pakistan Kotwali 1 0 A religious scholar is shot to death by sectarian Jihadis.
2010.10.14 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A rival cleric is gunned down by militant Islamists.
2010.10.14 Somalia Haradhere 4 12 Pregnant women and children are killed when Hizbul Islam militants open fire on a group protesting their beating teenagers.

· so much for the 'religion' of Peace, Tolerance, and Beheadings.
· [SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
Ramadan Slaughter Scorecard as of Day 30
In the name of The Religion of Peace The muslim brotherhood?
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Terror Attacks 226
Dead Bodies 1028
In the name of All Other Religions
Terror Attacks 1
Dead Bodies 1
final Ramadan 2010 Death Count 1,339(up 5.9%)
Ramadan 2009 Death Count: 1,260

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Ugh! The religion of ''peace'? All of these were BEFORE 9/11, THEN 17,982 AFTER 9/11 all around the world and IT CONTINUES! Some people will believe, everything that is told them or BRAINWASHED. Just the facts, there are more to post, but rational people understand.

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· LIST OF MAJOR ISLAMIC ATTACKS & PLOTS ON AMERICA…before 9/11
Some people ignore that Islamics have been attacking the United States long before September 11, 2001.
Here is just a sampling:

· 1979 Iran Hostage Crisis: seizure of US Tehran Embassy, Iran (Nov 4, 1979 for 444 days)
1983 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy, Lebanon (April 18, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Marine barracks, Beirut, Lebanon (Oct 23, 1983)
1983 Bombing of US Kuwait Embassy (Dec 12, 1983)
1984 Bombing of US Beirut Embassy (again) (Sept 20, 1984)
1984 Kuwait Airlines Flight 221 hijacked to Tehran – American passengers murdered (Dec 3, 1984)
1985 Hijacking TWA Flight 847 hijacked to Beirut (June 14, 1985)
1985 Hijacking cruise ship Achille Lauro, wheelchair-bound American is thrown overboard & killed (Oct 7, 1985)
1986 Bombing Berlin disco frequented by US servicemen (April 5, 1986)
1988 Bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, 100′s murdered (Dec 21, 1988)
1993 First bombing World Trade Center, New York City, 7 Killed, 1,042 wounded (Feb 26, 1993)
1993 Foiled NY Landmarks plot by Omar Abdel Rahman to blow up the Holland and Lincoln tunnels
and other New York City landmarks
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr. during visit to Kuwait (April 14, 1993)
1993 Black Hawk Down: shot down US helicopters in Mogadishu, Somalia,
during Operation Restore Hope (Oct 3-4, 1993)
1994 Plot to assassinate President Clinton during visit to the Philippines
1995 Failed Project Bojinka by Ramzi Yousef to blow up a dozen US airliners over the Pacific (end in Jan 1995)
1995 Bombing US military headquarters, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (Nov 13, 1995)
1996 Bombing Khobar Towers, Saudi Arabia, housing U.S. foreign military personnel (Jun 25, 1996)
1998 Bombing U.S. Nairobi Embassy, Kenya, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1998 Bombing U.S. Dar es Salaam Embassy, Tanzania, Africa (Aug 7, 1998)
1999 Foiled LAX Millennium plot by Ahmed Ressam to bomb Los Angeles International Airport
(Ressam was arrested at US Canadian border)
2000 Failed USS The Sullivans bombing that was refueling in the port of Aden, Yemen. (Jan 3, 2000)
2000 Bombing USS Cole in the port of Aden, Yemen, 17 U.S. Navy sailors murdered (Oct 12, 2000)
(The USS Cole was not engaged in any combat during this period)
2000 Bombing plaza across from US Manila Embassy (Dec 30, 2000)
2001 9/11 attacks: World Trade Center, Flight 93, Pentagon, 3000+ murdered (Sept 11, 2001)


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· 148
more than 148 infidels slaughtered in the name of Islam since Whoopi and Joy walked off the show ... details :
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2010.10.21 Philippines Matalam 9 6 An Islamist insurgency group is suspected in the bombing of a bus that leaves nine civilians dead.
2010.10.20 Thailand Yala 1 1 Muslim radicals gun down a 27-year-old laborer.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Herat 4 0 Four policemen are slaughtered in a Mujahideen ambush
2010.10.20 Pakistan Miranshah 1 0 An Afghan civilian is kidnapped and murdered by Islamic extremists.
2010.10.20 Iraq Mosul 5 0 Two women and a 13-year-old girl are among a family of five massacred in their home by Sunni militants.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 0 A man and his 8-year-old daughter are brutally slain by religious hardliners.
2010.10.20 Afghanistan Nimroz 8 6 Eight civilians are disassembled by a Sunni bomb blast.
2010.10.19 Chechnya Grozny 3 17 A coordinated Fedayeen assault on a government building leaves three victims dead.
2010.10.19 Iraq Tikrit 10 4 Children are among the casualties when Islamic militants blow up a home.
2010.10.19 Iraq Samarrah 3 2 Three Iraqis are blown apart by Jihadi bombers.
2010.10.19 Ingushetia Malgobek 1 0 Islamic militants gun down a cop.
2010.10.19 Nigeria Maiduguri 1 0 Boko Haram Islamists shoot a police officer to death in a drive-by attack.
2010.10.19 Pakistan Khyber 3 3 Mujahideen murder three local security personnel with a remote-controlled bomb.
2010.10.18 Pakistan Lakki Marwat 0 14 Women and children are among the casualties when a suicide bomber detonates at an intersection.
2010.10.18 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A 65-year-old man is shot in the head by terrorists while shopping with his daughter.
2010.10.18 Afghanistan Gereshk 9 0 Nine security guards are gunned down by Sunni radicals.
2010.10.18 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Mujahideen shoot an elderly man to death inside his home.
2010.10.18 Afghanistan Heart 3 0 Three civilians bleed out following a Taliban roadside blast.
2010.10.18 Iraq Baghdad 1 8 Islamists assassinate a local politician with a bomb.
2010.10.18 Iraq Mosul 2 7 A Shahid suicide bomber kills one Iraqi.
2010.10.17 Afghanistan Farah 8 20 The Taliban claim to have killed eight humanitarian workers in an attack on their project.
2010.10.17 Pakistan Hangu 1 0 A peace activist is murdered by Tehreek-e-Taliban gunmen.
2010.10.17 Iraq Baghdad 4 7 A doctor is among four Iraqis taken down by Jihadi bombers.
2010.10.17 Chechnya Grozny 2 0 Suspected Muslim insurgents take out two local cops in a drive-by shooting.
2010.10.17 Pakistan Orakzai 2 0 Two people are beheaded by Islamic militants, who then post their heads at a bazaar.
2010.10.16 Iraq Baghdad 2 2 Two police officers are gunned down at point-blank range by Islamic terrorists.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 2 A civilian is incinerated when Mujahideen blow up a fuel tanker.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 4 A motorbike bomb blast kills a civilian.
2010.10.16 Yemen Zinjibar 3 2 al-Qaeda militants send three local soldiers to Allah via a roadside blast.
2010.10.16 Afghanistan Uruzgan 2 7 Hardliners murder two civilians with a roadside bomb.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Kalat 1 1 Suspected Islamists murder the driver of a NATO supply vehicle.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Orakzai 4 6 Four villagers are murdered by Mujahideen attackers.
2010.10.15 Afghanistan Zabul 9 2 Nine civilians, including three women and one child, are taken apart by a Taliban IED blast.
2010.10.15 Pakistan Khyber 2 0 Religious hardliners set fire to a truck, burning the driver and a passenger to death.
2010.10.14 Iraq Mosul 1 2 Islamic radicals detonate a bomb on a bridge, killing at least one.
2010.10.14 Nigeria Bauchi 1 0 Islamists assassinate a police officer guarding a private residence.
2010.10.14 Iraq Diala 4 7 Four people are killed when Islamic terrorists attempt to kill a member of parliament.
2010.10.14 Thailand Pattani 1 0 Islamists murder a bank teller riding a motorcyle.
2010.10.14 Iraq Baghdad 3 7 Three Iraqis, including a university professor, are murdered in a series of bomb attacks.
2010.10.14 Pakistan Sararogha 5 1 At least five local soldiers are killed in a Taliban ambush.
2010.10.14 Yemen Abyan 5 8 An al-Qaeda ambush on a local military convoy leaves five dead.
2010.10.14 Yemen Mudia 2 1 al-Qaeda attempts to assassinate a government official, but kills his brother instead.
2010.10.14 Pakistan Kotwali 1 0 A religious scholar is shot to death by sectarian Jihadis.
2010.10.14 Iraq Baghdad 1 0 A rival cleric is gunned down by militant Islamists.
2010.10.14 Somalia Haradhere 4 12 Pregnant women and children are killed when Hizbul Islam militants open fire on a group protesting their beating teenagers.

· so much for the 'religion' of Peace, Tolerance, and Beheadings.
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Ramadan Slaughter Scorecard as of Day 30
In the name of The Religion of Peace The muslim brotherhood?
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Terror Attacks 226
Dead Bodies 1028
In the name of All Other Religions
Terror Attacks 1
Dead Bodies 1
final Ramadan 2010 Death Count 1,339(up 5.9%)
Ramadan 2009 Death Count: 1,260

You are correct virtually ever attack by Muslims has originated in one region of the world. All involving hostilities in or from the Mideast which houses roughly 10% of the world's Muslims.

Perhaps the real question that needs to be asked is what has happened to destroy west and Mideast relations? This just may not be a Muslim Issue as you think it is.
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4. Muslims like to tell us that their religion is one of peace, but even fundamentally, The Quran exhorts persecutors of Islam to be done away with at the hands of Muslims . Explain .
One needs to understand that the Qur'an was revealed over a 20 year period of time. some of the Surah's are a documentation of what was occuring at a specific time and addressed to a specific issue.

No where in the Qur'an are we commanded to persecute any people or ordered to kill or harm anyone. things need to be read in context. Would you say the Bible orders you to kill Egyptians, as the bible does speak of the plagues inflicted upon them.

When single lines are quoted from any book, the result is misunderstanding.

Please state the surah and Ayyat which you believe "The Quran exhorts persecutors of Islam to be done away with at the hands of Muslims"
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