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The 2 greatest acts of terrorism in recent history are not called terrorism because they are government sanctioned actions. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Terrorism and military action differ only in terms of were you live. If you live in New York, you see justified military action. If you live in Kabul or Baghdad you see daily acts of terrorism by an invading Army.
Terrorism has no religion. Terrorists are terrorists no matter if they call themselves Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu etc. the error is we have come to attatch a religious name to it. The simple fact is terrorists exist among all of us. None of us like to admit there are terrorists among what we each love. One fifth of the world is Muslim by statistics we shouldhave 1/5 of the world's terrorists and that seems to be holding true. One fourth of the world is Christian Christianity should have 1/4 of the worlds terrorists that seems to be true. However Christian terrorists never seem to get associated with Christianity. they get labelled criminals and their terrorist is seen as criminal acts and not because they are Christian. Some of the most dangerous criminal groups to ever exist are among Christians ie The Drug Cartels, which pose a much greater threat to the USA then any Islamic group, but nobody pays any attention they are Christian and do not believe they represent Christianity. Yet illegal drugs have probably killed more Americans than all of the extremist Islamic groups combined. But their killings are unnoticed because they are spread out over a large area. The Drug trade is as much terrorism as the suicide bombers, but nobody ever points a finger and calls it Christianity, although nearly all active in it are Christian. It would be ridiculous to point a finger and say Drug Gangs are an act of Christianity. The same holds true for terrorism. It is ridiculous to say any act of terrorism or any other crime is the act of the religion.
The 2 greatest acts of terrorism in recent history are not called terrorism because they are government sanctioned actions. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Terrorism and military action differ only in terms of were you live. If you live in New York, you see justified military action. If you live in Kabul or Baghdad you see daily acts of terrorism by an invading Army.
Terrorism has no religion. Terrorists are terrorists no matter if they call themselves Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu etc. the error is we have come to attatch a religious name to it. The simple fact is terrorists exist among all of us. None of us like to admit there are terrorists among what we each love. One fifth of the world is Muslim by statistics we shouldhave 1/5 of the world's terrorists and that seems to be holding true. One fourth of the world is Christian Christianity should have 1/4 of the worlds terrorists that seems to be true. However Christian terrorists never seem to get associated with Christianity. they get labelled criminals and their terrorist is seen as criminal acts and not because they are Christian. Some of the most dangerous criminal groups to ever exist are among Christians ie The Drug Cartels, which pose a much greater threat to the USA then any Islamic group, but nobody pays any attention they are Christian and do not believe they represent Christianity. Yet illegal drugs have probably killed more Americans than all of the extremist Islamic groups combined. But their killings are unnoticed because they are spread out over a large area. The Drug trade is as much terrorism as the suicide bombers, but nobody ever points a finger and calls it Christianity, although nearly all active in it are Christian. It would be ridiculous to point a finger and say Drug Gangs are an act of Christianity. The same holds true for terrorism. It is ridiculous to say any act of terrorism or any other crime is the act of the religion.
Woodrow, We are in Afghanistan because they were run by the Taliban who allowed alqueda to run terrorist training camps and to attack targets world wide. We went in after the twin towers were attacked.
We did not just decide one day to go to war against the Taliban.
I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We went in for reasons only George Bush knows. I believe he simply wanted to finish what his father started. But that is my opinion. Although I do believe that in years to come Iraq will see themselves as better off without Saddam. But only time will tell and it will depend on how their country develops.
But terrorism will always have a stamp of religion as long as people commit terrorism in the name of their religion.
As long as Muslims yell god is great and then proceed to kill or blow up buildings. When terrorist organizations claim responsibility in the name of their religion.
I am sorry that Islam has taken a hit because there are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there but there are also those Muslims who want to do non believers harm and the countries of the west.
It does not matter how you see the ayats and that you see Islam as a religion of peace that does not allow the killing of innocents.
There are to many who disagree with you and kill innocents and think they are headed to paradise.
Islam may one day be peaceful but it is not at this time in history.
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Originally Posted by Fred314X
So Zeinab, let me ask you this: have you noticed a difference between what Islam officially "permits" and the real-world actions of some of its adherents?
and...(other claims like these)
What is the origin of these thoughts?
The same media which misleads public thoughts because of its political purposes? does it introduce Palestinians and other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan as terrorism and their killers (Israel and America) as peaceful and nonviolent? See carefully…who is terrorism?
The 2 greatest acts of terrorism in recent history are not called terrorism because they are government sanctioned actions. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Terrorism and military action differ only in terms of were you live. If you live in New York, you see justified military action. If you live in Kabul or Baghdad you see daily acts of terrorism by an invading Army.
Terrorism has no religion. Terrorists are terrorists no matter if they call themselves Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu etc. the error is we have come to attatch a religious name to it. The simple fact is terrorists exist among all of us. None of us like to admit there are terrorists among what we each love. One fifth of the world is Muslim by statistics we shouldhave 1/5 of the world's terrorists and that seems to be holding true. One fourth of the world is Christian Christianity should have 1/4 of the worlds terrorists that seems to be true. However Christian terrorists never seem to get associated with Christianity. they get labelled criminals and their terrorist is seen as criminal acts and not because they are Christian. Some of the most dangerous criminal groups to ever exist are among Christians ie The Drug Cartels, which pose a much greater threat to the USA then any Islamic group, but nobody pays any attention they are Christian and do not believe they represent Christianity. Yet illegal drugs have probably killed more Americans than all of the extremist Islamic groups combined. But their killings are unnoticed because they are spread out over a large area. The Drug trade is as much terrorism as the suicide bombers, but nobody ever points a finger and calls it Christianity, although nearly all active in it are Christian. It would be ridiculous to point a finger and say Drug Gangs are an act of Christianity. The same holds true for terrorism. It is ridiculous to say any act of terrorism or any other crime is the act of the religion.
I agree that it is too easy to toss the 'terrorism' label about. I may say that I have always reckoned invading Iraq was wrong, not because it was Bush's decision, or because liked Saddam - I didn't - but because the pretext was a false one. There was nothing to connect Saddam with 9/11, nor even now, WMD were not evident except in Bush's belief and Saddam deserved to go was just a makeshift hindsight excuse.
That some good might come out of it in the end is not a justification for that war.
The 2 greatest acts of terrorism in recent history are not called terrorism because they are government sanctioned actions. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Terrorism and military action differ only in terms of were you live. If you live in New York, you see justified military action. If you live in Kabul or Baghdad you see daily acts of terrorism by an invading Army.
Sorry Wood . . . you cross the line. War is evil and uses terror to shorten its duration . . . but it is legitimate government sanctioned conflict . . . NOT terrorism. We can deplore it, despise it, and decry its use . . . but it is an all too common and unfortunate aspect of human existence and territorial aspirations. When we start to blur distinctions for political or religious reasons . . . it is always suspect. You disappoint me by doing that, Wood. War is war . . . and war is hell . . . and war is to break things, destroy things and kill as many of the opposing forces as possible to bring and end to the conflict. That it creates terror does not make it terrorism!
Terrorism is a heinous, cowardly, criminal, unprovoked, attack on unsuspecting innocents without the cover of a government sanctioned war where the people know that they are in danger of being involved in combat conditions. Unsuspecting people in a mall or on a bus or in the Trade Center at work during peacetime are not combatants and are not expecting to be attacked. People in a war ARE.
What is the origin of these thoughts?
The same media which misleads public thoughts because of its political purposes? does it introduce Palestinians and other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan as terrorism and their killers (Israel and America) as peaceful and nonviolent? See carefully…who is terrorism?
Actually Islam and Muslims were under the radar before 9/11. It was after Muslims attacked the twin towers killing 3000+ and the train bombs in Madrid and the bombings in London.
It has nothing to do with Israel, or America, this op is "Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism". You need to stay on topic and not attempt to hijack it.
The reality is that without 9/11 there would not have been the war on terrorism and we would not have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq.
Woodrow, We are in Afghanistan because they were run by the Taliban who allowed alqueda to run terrorist training camps and to attack targets world wide. We went in after the twin towers were attacked.
We did not just decide one day to go to war against the Taliban.
I do agree that we never should have gone into Iraq. We went in for reasons only George Bush knows. I believe he simply wanted to finish what his father started. But that is my opinion. Although I do believe that in years to come Iraq will see themselves as better off without Saddam. But only time will tell and it will depend on how their country develops.
But terrorism will always have a stamp of religion as long as people commit terrorism in the name of their religion.
As long as Muslims yell god is great and then proceed to kill or blow up buildings. When terrorist organizations claim responsibility in the name of their religion.
I am sorry that Islam has taken a hit because there are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there but there are also those Muslims who want to do non believers harm and the countries of the west.
Afghanistan is a strange area as are the Taliban. There was no central government in Afghanistan and it was/is a war torn nation after nearly 20 years of war against the Russians. the Taliban and bin Laden were our heroes at that time and we set up and financed the taliban. Nearly all weapons they still use are American made, we trained them indirectly by providing bin Laden with what ever he asked for.
Then when things changed and 9/11 we blame all of Afghanistan. even though most of the Taliban are not Afghans nor spend much time in Afghanistan. The only real result is we have moved the Taliban into the SWAT region of Pakistan, Somali, Ethiopia, and Darfur
Actually Islam and Muslims were under the radar before 9/11. It was after Muslims attacked the twin towers killing 3000+ and the train bombs in Madrid and the bombings in London.
It has nothing to do with Israel, or America, this op is "Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism". You need to stay on topic and not attempt to hijack it.
The reality is that without 9/11 there would not have been the war on terrorism and we would not have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq.
True without 9/11 we would not have gone into Afghanistan. Now 10 years later we have lost over 3,000 American soldiers, probably about the same amount in UN troops, many thousands of Afghanistan Citizens and spent Trillions of dollars. the end result being we will eventually pull out, Afghanistan will go back to Tribal governments and again the main income will be opium. Then the next invasion will take place either from Pakistan or from China.
What did we accomplish except get many innocent people killed and wreck relationships with the Muslim Nations? Afghanistan was not one of our better ideas.
That's why a wise leader like George W. Bush did not stress the Afgan war.
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