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Old 12-05-2011, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Western targets have been targeted and bombed. When Westerners are not safe or protected. When we see westerners being kidnapped and killed many times the executions were taped and played on tv.

In many Muslims lands (Egypt for example) the Christians are not even protected and they are Egyptian yet they are not protected.

In Libya one lone Jew was invited back to rebuild a synagogue but was attacked by the locals and then his invitation was rescinded. So instead of welcoming back those who were exiled under kadafy and who's property was stolen again it has been made clear. Muslims only are welcome.

So I don't know Woodrow The Muslim world has not exactly made it clear that it even wants non Muslims in their midst.
At the same time the Western world often makes it clear they do not want Muslims in their midst. Not all of the people, but enough to make it uncomfortable for us to travel into some areas. Although 99% ot the people in ND are very tolerant, I know of at least 2 towns Muslims are not wanted in. But, to be fair there are also some towns my wife is not welcome in because she is Native American. We are both somewhat active in AIM and are supporters of the ROL which I acknowledge does contribute to that.

Possibly what is seen as Religious attitude is culture attitude. I can think of Islamic countries I would not be welcome in because I am an American. Such as Iran, and Somalia. I was always treated nicely in Every Arab Nation, and among Malays and Indonesians before I accepted Islam. I have extended Family in Ghana and Pakistan and their attitudes of tolerance towards others is even more liberal than my own. I have a few Jewish friends in Morocco who so far still feel welcome in Morocco.

But over all I do see a lot of resentment growing against Americans in general in much of the world and it is not limited to Islamic Nations. The climate towards us is quite chilly in southern Mexico, Guatemala, Panama, Argentina, Costa Rico, Bolivia and possibly Ecuador. Come to think of it I didn't feel very welcome in Bermuda or Jamaica last time I was there.

Sadly I see much more intolerance directed against Jews than any other people. Outside of Israel I do not know of any nation in which Jews are not discriminated against. I suspect that is the result of many misconceptions people have about them.

I really doubt if religion alone is the cause of hatred towards any people. Fear of the unknown may be the biggest factor.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Saudi Arabia
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Good grief...I rarely see lies such as this...The 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by Muslims..Most of the civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and other places have been killed by other Muslims...

“some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.” Staggering Statistics on Muslims Killing Muslims « Waste Of My Oxygen

What is disgusting to me are your obvious and blatant lies.

This is pretty much a daily occurrence.


"Islamic State of Iraq" Killing Muslims in Iraq - YouTube




I do not reject the truth whether it was behind Muslims and non-Muslims it In both cases is a crime so there from saw it as Conspiracy


911 Conspiracy
HIGH TREASON
Bush' Complicit Role in 911 Attack

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/Bush/index.html

http://www.patriotsaints.com/News/911/Conspiracy/


This was the first point .

second poin, I am not responsible if your media not convey to you the truth about the Iraq war and Afgallenstan just it focused on the crimes of radical Muslims and forget the crimes of its country !!


What been left the U.S. war in Iraq?

9 million orphaned Iraqi children in Fallujah



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One Million Dead in Iraq

Our Own Holocaust Denial

By Mark Weisbrot

11/22/07 "ICH' -- -- Institutionally unwilling to consider America’s responsibility for the bloodbath, the traditional media have refused to acknowledge the massive number of Iraqis killed since the invasion.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad’s flirtation with those who deny the reality of the Nazi genocide has rightly been met with disgust. But another holocaust denial is taking place with little notice: the holocaust in Iraq. The average American believes that 10,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since the US invasion in March 2003. The most commonly cited figure in the media is 70,000. But the actual number of people who have been killed is most likely more than one million.

This is five times more than the estimates of killings in Darfur and even more than the genocide in Rwanda 13 years ago.

The estimate of more than one million violent deaths in Iraq was confirmed again two months ago in a poll by the British polling firm Opinion Research Business, which estimated 1,220,580 violent deaths since the US invasion. This is consistent with the study conducted by doctors and scientists from the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health more than a year ago. Their study was published in the Lancet, Britain’s leading medical journal. It estimated 601,000 people killed due to violence as of July 2006; but if updated on the basis of deaths since the study, this estimate would also be more than a million. These estimates do not include those who have died because of public health problems created by the war, including breakdowns in sewerage systems and electricity, shortages of medicines, etc.

Amazingly, some journalists and editors - and of course some politicians - dismiss such measurements because they are based on random sampling of the population rather than a complete count of the dead. While it would be wrong to blame anyone for their lack of education, this disregard for scientific methods and results is inexcusable. As one observer succinctly put it: if you don’t believe in random sampling, the next time your doctor orders a blood test, tell him that he needs to take all of it.

The methods used in the estimates of Iraqi deaths are the same as those used to estimate the deaths in Darfur, which are widely accepted in the media. They are also consistent with the large numbers of refugees from the violence (estimated at more than four million). There is no reason to disbelieve them, or to accept tallies such as that the Iraq Body Count (73,305 - 84,222), which include only a small proportion of those killed, as an estimate of the overall death toll.

Of course, acknowledging the holocaust in Iraq might change the debate over the war. While Iraqi lives do not count for much in US politics, recognizing that a mass slaughter of this magnitude is taking place could lead to more questions about how this horrible situation came to be. Right now a convenient myth dominates the discussion: the fall of Saddam Hussein simply unleashed a civil war that was waiting to happen, and the violence is all due to Iraqis’ inherent hatred of each other.

In fact, there is considerable evidence that the occupation itself - including the strategy of the occupying forces - has played a large role in escalating the violence to holocaust proportions. It is in the nature of such an occupation, where the vast majority of the people are opposed to the occupation and according to polls believe it is right to try and kill the occupiers, to pit one ethnic group against another. This was clear when Shiite troops were sent into Sunni Fallujah in 2004; it is obvious in the nature of the death-squad government, where officials from the highest levels of the Interior Ministry to the lowest ranking police officers - all trained and supported by the US military - have carried out a violent, sectarian mission of “ethnic cleansing.” (The largest proportion of the killings in Iraq are from gunfire and executions, not from car bombs). It has become even more obvious in recent months as the United States is now arming both sides of the civil war, including Sunni militias in Anbar province as well as the Shiite government militias.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18765.htm



What been left the U.S. war in Afghanistan?

http://peaceforlife.org/resources/mideast/2011/11-1010-polya-afghaninvasion10thanniversary.html


Yes, there are Muslim extremists Exercise the terrorism but We recognize them and deplore but terrorism is a U.S. industry I mean U.S. Government

Then you come to tell the Muslim terrorist !!!! Absurdity

that's it
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism.
Like so many other religions and philosophies, Islam works better in theory than it does in practise. Who is to blame? Mankind.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Like so many other religions and philosophies, Islam works better in theory than it does in practise. Who is to blame? Mankind.
I believe each person alone is responsible for their own actions. A person can not use the excuse of being mislead. Each of us has the ability to question and verify on our own all things. If we become blind sheeple following the words and teachings of any living person, without question, it is our own blasted fault if we commit an atrocity. While it is also true that if one is teaching a falsehood and has set themselves in a position of power they deserve even a greater share of the responsibility. But, that does not lessen a persons guilt of being a sheeple.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I believe each person alone is responsible for their own actions. A person can not use the excuse of being mislead. Each of us has the ability to question and verify on our own all things. If we become blind sheeple following the words and teachings of any living person, without question, it is our own blasted fault if we commit an atrocity. While it is also true that if one is teaching a falsehood and has set themselves in a position of power they deserve even a greater share of the responsibility. But, that does not lessen a persons guilt of being a sheeple.
We're social creatures. It's in our nature to be "sheeple." In fact, anyone who lives alone and avoids human contact is understood to be eccentric, possibly dangerous.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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We're social creatures. It's in our nature to be "sheeple." In fact, anyone who lives alone and avoids human contact is understood to be eccentric, possibly dangerous.
We have free will. If we choose to be lazy and let others think for us, we probably have earned what we become through our own desire to sit on our tails and let somebody else do the thinking. A person need not be a people hater, nor a rebel, nor isolationist to think on their own and grow up to accept the results of their own actions. Yes we all have some level of desire to be sheeple and simply float with the flow. But, we all can open our eyes and see the rafts in front of us are going over a Water fall.

Being a social creature and enjoying the relationships and companionship of others need not reduce us to blind faith following. At times it benefits all to be a sheeple, such as in regards to laws or driving in traffic. But when it comes to a decision of doing or not doing something that affects others, we each need to stand up and see if we are following a path of construction or one of destruction.
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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We have free will. If we choose to be lazy and let others think for us, we probably have earned what we become through our own desire to sit on our tails and let somebody else do the thinking. A person need not be a people hater, nor a rebel, nor isolationist to think on their own and grow up to accept the results of their own actions. Yes we all have some level of desire to be sheeple and simply float with the flow. But, we all can open our eyes and see the rafts in front of us are going over a Water fall.

Being a social creature and enjoying the relationships and companionship of others need not reduce us to blind faith following. At times it benefits all to be a sheeple, such as in regards to laws or driving in traffic. But when it comes to a decision of doing or not doing something that affects others, we each need to stand up and see if we are following a path of construction or one of destruction.
Well-said!
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Old 12-06-2011, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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In the news almost every day we see stories like this one today...So weaam, are you going to tell me that the US does these kind of things, or is somehow the cause? In my opinion the war in Iraq was wrong, and a mistake, but Muslims have been killing Muslims long before the US got involved, and no doubt will continue to do so after the troops are gone.

Dozens dead in rare attack on Shiite mosque in Kabul - The Washington Post

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Old 12-06-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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In the news almost every day we see stories like this one today...So weaam, are you going to tell me that the US does these kind of things, or is somehow the cause?

Dozens dead in rare attack on Shiite mosque in Kabul - The Washington Post
You see a Muslim versus Muslim issue. I see a long standing battle between Arab control vs Iranian Control. The area occupied by Iraq (Arab) and Iran (Aryan) has long been a power struggle. You have a long history of racial hatred in both directions. The Shi'i in the region are nearly 100% Iranian and the Sunni are nearly 100% Arab. The Shi'i in Iraq are seen as Iranian invaders. the Sunni in Iran are seen as Arab invaders. The Sunni/Shii conflicts are not seen as religious differences but a war of control over land claimed by both Iranians and Arabs.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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You see a Muslim versus Muslim issue. I see a long standing battle between Arab control vs Iranian Control. The area occupied by Iraq (Arab) and Iran (Aryan) has long been a power struggle. You have a long history of racial hatred in both directions. The Shi'i in the region are nearly 100% Iranian and the Sunni are nearly 100% Arab. The Shi'i in Iraq are seen as Iranian invaders. the Sunni in Iran are seen as Arab invaders. The Sunni/Shii conflicts are not seen as religious differences but a war of control over land claimed by both Iranians and Arabs.
Woodrow, you know it goes far beyond Arab/Aryan Sunni/Shi'i differences. thats just on the surface. There are so many inter tribal issues going back long before these countries were on the maps. To get a handle on all of the conflicts would be impossible.
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