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Old 03-24-2008, 09:17 AM
 
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Where did Jesus say this?

Because if he did say this, then that is in direct opposition to the principle that every person is a sinner and that one gets into heaven by accepting Jesus who washes away sins and all that.
First of all let me say Jesus said this in 1 John 3:15

Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: AND YE KNOW THAT NO MURDERER HATH ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM.

This is not in direct opposition to the principle that every person is a sinner and that one gets into heaven by accepting Jesus who washes away sins and all that.

The fact is, a person who murders others is not one who has accepted Jesus, nor does he love Him. Now he may of accepted Jesus with his lips, but not with his heart. And so we have to ask ourselves. Who is it that really loves Jesus?

In John 14:21 We see who it is that really loves God, and the answer to that question is given to us by Jesus.

He that hath my commandments, and KEEPETH them, he it is that loveth me:

Paul WAS a murder, yet when he became a Christian (he turned from that sin), and so it is with all who love God. Yet, to say one is a Christian and then continues in such activities only reveals to us all that he is something other than a Christian. And it should be apperent that such a person worshipped Jesus with their lips, and not with their heart. And as Jesus told us, no murder has eternal life abiding in him.
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Old 03-24-2008, 09:47 AM
 
Location: England, Huddersfield
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with our family, tradition stays at home, my family understands the british or american laws and now alot of young muslims are becoming very westernised and are more open minded so i think if muslims do take over it wont be till ages yet and maybe by then all muslims would be open minded and understand other laws apart from the shariah so no sweat lol
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:24 AM
 
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See, here is another example of you making so many wrong statements, with no backing. In as little as two paragraphs you managed to spread so much misinformation and lies. Below is just a sample,

1- Whether you agree or not, Hitler did call himself a Christian. Now for any sane person, or any person without an agenda, it is clear that the actions of one individual should not judge a whole religion. Just because Hitler and his circle were Christians, and committed atrocious acts, does not mean Christianity is a religion of murderers. Most people can make that distinction, but only people like you with an agenda, and hatred for a whole group of people, fails to see that separation when it comes to Muslims.

2- Your lack of knowledge on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is not a surprise, what is though, your talk about the issue pretending to be an expert. The facts are and remain, that Muslims had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews in Europe; on the contrary, Jews were living among Arabs in the Middle East for a long time in peace. Zionists in coordination with Britain and the Nazis (believe it or not) managed to convince these powers to open the door for immigration of Jews to Palestine, whose only fault was their weakness. The fact that you don't see anything wrong with people coming over and taking another people's lands, and in the process killing and expelling the indigenous people out, says a lot about you. Imagine China attacking Columbia and kicking its people out, and then claim that they are hated by the Catholics in Latin America for just being Chinese.

3- So you don't know of any Christians who in their right mind would see Palestine control Israel. Well first of all Palestine does not want to control Israel, in fact they cannot, due to a little thing called power. But anyway, playing along, it seems you don't know much Christians outside your evangelical Armageddon lovers’ type of thing Christians. You obviously have not met any Christian who lives in Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Lebanon, Egypt, and Greece and so on. Not to mention most Christians who would actually come to the aid of the oppressed. Only those who see Israel, the recently created state on the blood of other humans, as god's miracle due to their sick and twisted interpretation of the bible are capable of justifying such absurdity. Something that seems only fundamental evangelical Christians are capable of.

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Absurd I tell you, absurd. Try telling this to a Palestinian Christian who lost his land, or to a Palestinian Christian who lost a brother or a son due to the kindness of the Israelis. I'm sure you know that all Christians in the holy lands call themselves Palestinians, obviously you have not met any of them, and otherwise you would not be making such a ridiculous statement.

Finally, your lack of knowledge about history is very clear. Maybe throughout history, minorities in the Muslim world were treated as second class citizens by today’s standards, but when compared to other civilizations, including western, they had it good. Some would argue the harmony that people enjoyed in Andalusia were Muslims ruled can be an example to us even in the 21st Century.

This is my final reply to you, since I don't think this is going anywhere. I ask you to stop your hate, and labeling of a whole religion due to the acts of a few. Sure you would not like that done to your own religion.
Hitler can call Himself whatever he wants. The bottom line is what Jesus tells us. And we all know that Jesus tells us in His Word that no Murder will enter heaven. And Hitler was one of the great murders of all time. So yes, maybe he called himself a Christian, but he was a Christian in name only. True Christians are not murders. Bottom line. That's not misinformation or a lie, that is the truth. And it is Jesus Christ who has revealed this to us.

The God of the Bible gave the land to the Jews, but since you donot believe in that God of the Bible this is why we are where we are today. God brought the Jews back to Israel for the purpose of taking peace away from the world. He did not bring the Jews back there to bring about a peaceful world. It is Gods intentions to use the Jews as bait. God wants the Islamic nations to attack the Jewish nation. If you don't believe me, read Ezekiel chapters 36,37,38, and 39. Much of what is going to happen in Israel with the Jews and the Islamic nations in the future will be found there.

Many of the Christians Palestinians are treated better under the Jews, then under the control of the Moslem Palestians, and that is why so many Christians Palestinians are leaving there brother Moslem Palestians behind. Just as Iran and it's government under Islamic law it getting ready to inact a law which would condem a man to death for leaving the Moslem faith. Religon of peace? You don't see this kind of thing except in the most extream religions. And that is what I see happening in the Islamic world. So please, don't come here talking about harmony. The world see this. Do you really think a religion can operate this way and still have people believeing your a religion of peace? Were not all stupid on this fourm. I don't hate your people. Yet I know what your people are going to try and do, especially to the Jews. And you can read about that future in the chapters I have given you. And I can assure you, your religion according to the Scriptures will not be bringing peace to this world. God brought the Jews back to Israel to reveal to the Islamic's, to the Jews, and to the world, who He is. And few will be happy on that day.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:14 AM
 
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Whatever your Quran says, and what Islamics actually do, appears to be two different things.
You can not judge a religion based on 1 percent of its followers. if this is the case then no body in the history of humanity can break the record of C*******ns.

Judge Islam by the majority of its followers who live accross the globe.


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Maybe you should ask one of those three thousand dead Americans that died in the World Trade Center how peaceful Muslims are.
May be you should ask the leaders why did they kill their own innocent people (The Inside Job).

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And before the start of the Crusades, Muslims killed of half of the Christians in the Middle East, and burnt to the ground 3,000 of their churches.
And what about the Crusaders? How many have they killed and burned? and how many are they going to kill (the modern day Crusaders)?!

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Numerous Muslims get off attaching bombs to themselves and killing as many non believers as they can. Your faith is made up of many evil murders. And we see this everyday all around the world
Your last claim is contradicting the first. Our faith is peaceful that you can judge by the majority. and you should also seek to know why are they killing themeselves.

and if you think a little you will realize that non Muslims kill most of the killings in the world rather than Muslims. War on Terror.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:41 AM
 
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Check and see how many Iraqi citizens were killed so far. They can't even put a figure on it..
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:59 AM
 
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You can not judge a religion based on 1 percent of its followers. if this is the case then no body in the history of humanity can break the record of C*******ns.

Judge Islam by the majority of its followers who live accross the globe.




May be you should ask the leaders why did they kill their own innocent people (The Inside Job).



And what about the Crusaders? How many have they killed and burned? and how many are they going to kill (the modern day Crusaders)?!



Your last claim is contradicting the first. Our faith is peaceful that you can judge by the majority. and you should also seek to know why are they killing themeselves.

and if you think a little you will realize that non Muslims kill most of the killings in the world rather than Muslims. War on Terror.
1% is a lot of people, and 1% can do a lot of harm. And why do you even have 1 % that some how feel it's ok to kill in the name of their God? Who is teaching your people this? And todays Crusaders to my knowledge have little to do with the Christian faith, so who are we talking about? And as far as the inside job, all I saw was two jets fly into the World Trade Center each filled with thousands of gals of aviation fuel. And those jets were piloted by Islamics. Yes, I believe most Moslems are peaceful, yet your religion seems to lend itself to violence, and this violence appears to be justified by many in your religious leadership. I ask you, do you see Christians flying planes into buildings only to kill the innocent. Do you see Christians attaching bombs to themselves and walking into busy market to see how many Jews they can kill? Do Christian pass laws telling their membership if they leave the Christian faith they will be put to death? No, this kind of nonsense will only be found in Moslem countries that are controled by the Islamic ruling religious parties. And this is why there is no freedom of thought or expression in those countries. You obey or die. Party of peace, give me a break.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:40 PM
 
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1% is a lot of people, and 1% can do a lot of harm. And why do you even have 1 % that some how feel it's ok to kill in the name of their God? Who is teaching your people this? And todays Crusaders to my knowledge have little to do with the Christian faith, so who are we talking about? And as far as the inside job, all I saw was two jets fly into the World Trade Center each filled with thousands of gals of aviation fuel. And those jets were piloted by Islamics. Yes, I believe most Moslems are peaceful, yet your religion seems to lend itself to violence, and this violence appears to be justified by many in your religious leadership. I ask you, do you see Christians flying planes into buildings only to kill the innocent. Do you see Christians attaching bombs to themselves and walking into busy market to see how many Jews they can kill? Do Christian pass laws telling their membership if they leave the Christian faith they will be put to death? No, this kind of nonsense will only be found in Moslem countries that are controled by the Islamic ruling religious parties. And this is why there is no freedom of thought or expression in those countries. You obey or die. Party of peace, give me a break.
Just as you deem yourself the luxury of labeling who is or isn't a Christian why are you not allowing the same privilege to the Muslim??? You say Hitler wasn't a Christian because he didn't "act" like a Christian. Yet, you have the blind audacity to say that a Muslim who kills is still a Muslim. Have you ever thought that perhaps they weren't "true" Muslims in the same way that Hitler wasn't a "true" Christian???? Or are you just preferring to stick to bigoted labels to encompass everyone? That sounds like "true" Christianity to me....
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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I don't fear Islam. It's the fundamentalists that worry me.
I couldn't agree more. I have no problem with your average Muslim, it's the crazies who think that if they blow themselves up along with as many of us as possible then they'll go to paradise that people should be concerned about.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Just as you deem yourself the luxury of labeling who is or isn't a Christian why are you not allowing the same privilege to the Muslim??? You say Hitler wasn't a Christian because he didn't "act" like a Christian. Yet, you have the blind audacity to say that a Muslim who kills is still a Muslim. Have you ever thought that perhaps they weren't "true" Muslims in the same way that Hitler wasn't a "true" Christian???? Or are you just preferring to stick to bigoted labels to encompass everyone? That sounds like "true" Christianity to me....
No, that is false Christianity....Christian means Christlike, and i haven't met to many of those, including myself. I hope one day there will be many.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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No, that is false Christianity....Christian means Christlike, and i haven't met to many of those, including myself. I hope one day there will be many.
Nobody can be Christlike because to be Christlike would mean to be perfect. If you believe the Bible then Jesus himself acknowledged that your average human ain't ever gonna be perfect and so He died for everyone's sins. By your reasoning there are no Christians in the world.
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