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Old 07-05-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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"Can there be any doubt, after all this, that the testes and ovaries receive
nourishment and blood from, and are connected to nerves that come from, between
the backbone and the ribs?"

There is no need to even address this since this is not the issue. The Quran says this:

86:6
Sahih International
He was created from a fluid, ejected,
Muhsin Khan
He is created from a water gushing forth.
Pickthall
He is created from a gushing fluid
Yusuf Ali
He is created from a drop emitted-
Shakir
He is created of water pouring forth,
Dr. Ghali
He was created from effusive water,


86:7

Sahih International
Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs.
Muhsin Khan
Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribs,
Pickthall
That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Yusuf Ali
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:
Shakir
Coming from between the back and the ribs.
Dr. Ghali
Going out between the loins (Or: backbone) and the breastbones.

Nothing about circulatory, nervous and lymphatic systems 'nourishing' the testes and ovaries. It is very clear that Allah is saying that sperm comes from the area between the back and the ribs. In fact, this is not correct.
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Old 07-11-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
"I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying
and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.
3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.
4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.
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Old 07-18-2015, 01:19 AM
 
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"3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. "

What does this mean?
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Old 07-18-2015, 07:58 AM
 
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"3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. "

What does this mean?
A good illustration that often we do not understand the Ahadith. Many Ahadith are simply a phrase the stuck in the memory of the narrator. The compilations are especially difficult as the compilers often truncated and used just a portion in a category.

Sometimes we can reconstruct the full Hadith through multiple compilations.

this Hadith as it appears in Buhhari's compilation reads

Quote:
Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.
1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.
2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.
3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.
4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).
5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.
Sadly what Jabir bin Abdullah does not tell us is the occasion when he heard this, was this the complete phrase, was this part of a sermon or a discussion among friends.


Based on a single statement and not knowing the circumstances behind it, I have no way to interpret what is meant by it.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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"Based on a single statement and not knowing the circumstances behind it, I have no way to interpret what is meant by it."

That is interesting because it seems like this is important stuff here. Five things given to Muhammed that were never given any other before....

Anyways, I decided to look up more Islamic verses that talk about this. Booty means whatever Muhammed wanted as spoils of war...and often Muhammed started the battle. He would attack and kill and take the booty. Booty also includes the women from the place that was attacked. So, no one else before Muhammed was allowed to take war booty (women, children, food, horses, livestock, personal belongings). But Muhammed was. And I would guess this booty financed Muhammed's jihad..slaughter of non-Muslims. Here is the thing....why did the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE tell Muhammed he could attack non-Muslims and take women, children, food, horses, livestock and personal belongings as booty when no one else before Muhammed was allowed to do it? Allah must love the Somali Pirates.

To attack a village, kill people and take the women and belongings seems really evil to me. Murder and stealing and slavery and rape is made legal for Muhammed by this one 'gift' from Allah.

Al-Anfal 8:41:

And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to All‚h, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Mas‚kin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in All‚h and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And All‚h is Able to do all things.

Al-Ahzab 33:27:

And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And All‚h is Able to do all things.


Verses from the Sahih Bukhari Hadith

Book #53, Hadith #351:

Narrated Jabir bin Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Booty has been made legal for me."
Book #7, Hadith #331:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. 1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. 2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. 3. The Booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. 4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). 5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.

Book #2, Hadith #35:

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or Booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."
Book #8, Hadith #367:

Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz: Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the Booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her." Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, 'Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.' He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-SawTq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walrma (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Apostle ."

Book #34, Hadith #432:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of Booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
Book #38, Hadith #503:

Narrated Marwan bin Al-Hakam and Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: When the delegates of the tribe of Hawazin after embracing Islam, came to Allah's Apostle, he got up. They appealed to him to return their properties and their captives. Allah's Apostle said to them, "The most beloved statement to me is the true one. So, you have the option of restoring your properties or your captives, for I have delayed distributing them." The narrator added, Allah's Apostle c had been waiting for them for more than ten days on his return from Taif. When they realized that Allah's Apostle would return to them only one of two things, they said, "We choose our captives." So, Allah's Apostle got up in the gathering of the Muslims, praised Allah as He deserved, and said, "Then after! These brethren of yours have come to you with repentance and I see it proper to return their captives to them. So, whoever amongst you likes to do that as a favor, then he can do it, and whoever of you wants to stick to his share till we pay him from the very first Booty which Allah will give us then he can do so." The people replied, "We agree to give up our shares willingly as a favor for Allah's Apostle." Then Allah's Apostle said, "We don't know who amongst you has agreed and who hasn't. Go back and your chiefs may tell us your opinion." So, all of them returned and their chiefs discussed the matter with them and then they (i.e. their chiefs) came to Allah's Apostle to tell him that they (i.e. the people) had given up their shares gladly and willingly.

Book #52, Hadith #46:

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war Booty."

Book #52, Hadith #104:

Narrated 'Urwa Al-Bariqi: The Prophet said, "Good will remain (as a permanent quality) in the foreheads of horses (for Jihad) till the Day of Resurrection, for they bring about either a reward (in the Hereafter) or Booty (in this world."

Book #52, Hadith #153:

Narrated 'Umar: The properties of Bani An-Nadir which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as Fai Booty were not gained by the Muslims with their horses and camels. The properties therefore, belonged especially to Allah's Apostle who used to give his family their yearly expenditure and spend what remained thereof on arms and horses to be used in Allah's Cause.

Book #52, Hadith #286:

Narrated Salama bin Al-Akwa: "An infidel spy came to the Prophet while he was on a journey. The spy sat with the companions of the Prophet and started talking and then went away. The Prophet said (to his companions), 'Chase and kill him.' So, I killed him." The Prophet then gave him the belongings of the killed spy (in addition to his share of the war Booty).

Book #52, Hadith #301:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet performed 'Umra, setting out from Al-Jarana where he distributed the war Booty of Hunain.
Book #53, Hadith #325:


Narrated 'Aisha: (mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. Booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Apostle. She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Apostle which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Apostle used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to 'Ali and 'Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.")

Book #53, Hadith #359:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: 'Uthman did not join the Badr battle because he was married to one of the daughters of Allah's Apostle and she was ill. So, the Prophet said to him. "You will get a reward and a share (from the war Booty) similar to the reward and the share of one who has taken part in the Badr battle."

Book #59, Hadith #53:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle divided (the war Booty of Khaibar) with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one-share for the foot soldier. (The sub-narrator, Nafi' explained this, saying, "If a man had a horse, he was given three shares and if he had no horse, then he was given one share.")

Book #59, Hadith #625:

Narrated 'Abdullah: When it was the day of Hunain, Prophet favored some people over some others (in the distribution of the booty). He gave Al-Aqra' one-hundred camels and gave Uyaina the same, and also gave other people (of Quraish). A man said, "Allah's Pleasure was not the aim, in this distribution." I said, "I will inform the Prophet (about your statement)." The Prophet said, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Moses, for he was troubled more this but he remained patient."
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said,
"A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers,

'Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me;
nor should a man who has built a house but has not completed its roof;
nor a man who has sheep or shecamels and is waiting for the birth of their young ones.'

So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town at the time or nearly at the time of the 'Asr prayer, he said to the sun,

'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.'

It was stopped till Allah made him victorious.

Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it. He said (to his men),

'Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.'

(They did so and) the hand of a man got stuck over the hand of their prophet.
Then that prophet said (to the man),
'The theft has been committed by your people. So all the persons of your tribe should give me the pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.'

The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said,

"You have committed the theft.

' Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty.

The Prophet added:
Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us."
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Old 07-18-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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"A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers,

'Anyone who has married a woman and wants to consummate the marriage, and has not done so yet, should not accompany me;"


How many men would that be? This is quite strange. If I gathered up 5,000 men and asked how many had not consummated his marriage yet, I bet not one hand would raise. And is this saying that to consummate the marriage, put on a roof or see a sheep or shecamel is more important than holy jihad? What about attending a dying love one? Or the birth of your own child?

"So, the prophet carried out the expedition and when he reached that town"

OK, so we see this was not self defense but Muhammed attacking a town.

"'O sun! You are under Allah's Order and I am under Allah's Order O Allah! Stop it (i.e. the sun) from setting.'
It was stopped till Allah made him victorious."


A couple things here. Why does allah want this slaughtering? He CREATED THE UNIVERSE!! Why not make all people Muslim? Does allah enjoy watching slaughter and rape? And, why does allah think that is the sun that he stopped? Wouldn't that be the earth that has to stop rotating in order to delay sunset? Sunset is the daily disappearance of the Sun below the western horizon as a result of Earth's rotation. How could allah have gotten this wrong? The sun does not rotate around the earth!!

And what would happen if the earth did stop rotating?? Yikes!
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"Then he collected the booty and the fire came to burn it, but it did not burn it."

Where did this fire come from? Who sent a needless fire? This makes no sense!

"'Some of you have stolen something from the booty. So one man from every tribe should give me a pledge of allegiance by shaking hands with me.'"

But Muhammed stole the booty from the townpeople! And now he's mad that something was stolen from what he stole? But Muhammed is supposed to be setting a perfect example to follow!! So, if Muhammed steals, all Muslims should follow that example.

"The hands of two or three men got stuck over the hand of their prophet and he said,

"You have committed the theft.

' Then they brought a head of gold like the head of a cow and put it there, and the fire came and consumed the booty. "


Why did the hands stick? Did Muhammed have glue on his hands? Who made this huge mass of gold disappear? Was this gold the life savings of the townspeople that Muhammed stole?

"The Prophet added:
Then Allah saw our weakness and disability, so he made booty legal for us."


Oh, so when this stealing happened Muhammed was stealing and BREAKING THE LAW!! Then, allah told him, because you and your men are weak and steal from each other after you steal from the poor towns people, now I will say that you should go ahead and steal from townspeople and that is OK by me! But how does this stop Muhammed's gang from stealing from each other? It's not just Muhammed that gets to steal: "so he made booty legal for us." By 'us' does that mean Muslims can steal today, following Muhammed's example and allah's command?? Hummmm....Maybe Muhammed is the head thief and gets to divide up the booty. Like this:

"The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)"

Who would divide up the booty today?
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Old 07-18-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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"3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. "

What does this mean?
The booty was not legal for the previous prophets and it was used to be collected and then fire come down from the sky
and burn them
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Old 07-18-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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"The booty was not legal for the previous prophets and it was used to be collected and then fire come down from the sky
and burn them"

Why did allah decide that Muhammed could legally steal booty from townspeople he attacked?

Why was Muhammed stealing booty before it was legal?

Why did allah think the sun rotated around the earth!!??

Why does allah want this slaughtering? He CREATED THE UNIVERSE!! Why not make all people Muslim? Does allah enjoy watching slaughter and rape?

Who would divide up the booty today?

Who made this huge mass of gold disappear? Was this gold the life savings of the townspeople that Muhammed stole?
Gold really doesn't burn, it melts. So what happened to the melted gold?
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Old 07-19-2015, 02:32 AM
 
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OK, so we see this was not self defense but Muhammed attacking a town.
?
read the Hadith again , The Hadith is saying
"A prophet amongst the prophets carried out a holy military expedition, so he said to his followers,"
that means he was one of the previous prophets but still that prophet or any prophet does not attack town or people

the Hadith is saying the prophets carried out a holy military expedition that means there is a valid reason

and all the battles of The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) have valid reasons

for example

a town or groups of tribes are preparing to attack the Muslims then the prophets does not wait until they reach
the Muslim but he send army to defend Islam and the Muslim from them
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