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Old 08-14-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Be aware if you have small children. the government will try to make you get shot for then to go to school. Here is the problem, many, most of them, have pork blood and other junk in them. So if you have ever gotten a shot, chances are that there is pork blood in you. You cannot get rid of it either. here is some of an article from muslim doctors. but if you got your shots are are full of pork anyway and will always be.

"Vaccine ingredients include heavy metals, pus from sores of diseased animals, horse serum, calf serum, faecal matter, foetal cells, urine, macerated cancer cells, sweepings from diseased children, formaldehyde (a carcinogen used in embalming fluid), phenol (a carcinogen capable of causing paralysis, convulsions, coma, necrosis and gangrene), lactalbumin hydrolysate (an emulsifier), aluminium phosphate (an aluminium salt that is corrosive to tissues), retro-virus SV-40 (a contaminant virus in some polio vaccines), antibiotics (e.g., neomycin tm) that lead to antibiotic resistance, chick embryo (as a growth medium for the virus), sodium phosphate (a buffering salt), and foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) from the growth medium. Vaccines are also contaminated with mycoplasma, bacteria, monkey viruses and various adjuvants. Heavy metals include thiomersal (mercury) as a preservative and aluminium as an adjuvant. Mercury and aluminium have each been proved to damage the brain and nervous system. In some cases, thiomersal has been replaced by another neurotoxin known as 2PE. Vaccines also contain monosodium glutamate (MSG), sorbitol, and gelatine. Many of these ingredients are not allowed for Muslims, Jews, Hindus or vegetarians."
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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if you have ever gotten a shot, chances are that there is pork blood in you.
Very interesting. I knew there was a reason I liked rooting around in our garden.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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There are alternatives for many vaccines. For those with no alternative one must weigh if it is necessary for survival. If the shot is necessary for survival many scholars have the opinion the shot is permissable, just as most agree it is permissible to eat pork if it is necessary to avoid starvation and no other food is available.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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There is no prohibition in Judaism to use these specific non-kosher substances, so long as they are not eaten.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:04 AM
 
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"Vaccine ingredients include heavy metals, pus from sores of diseased animals, horse serum, calf serum, faecal matter, foetal cells, urine, macerated cancer cells, sweepings from diseased children, formaldehyde (a carcinogen used in embalming fluid), phenol (a carcinogen capable of causing paralysis, convulsions, coma, necrosis and gangrene), lactalbumin hydrolysate (an emulsifier), aluminium phosphate (an aluminium salt that is corrosive to tissues), retro-virus SV-40 (a contaminant virus in some polio vaccines), antibiotics (e.g., neomycin tm) that lead to antibiotic resistance, chick embryo (as a growth medium for the virus), sodium phosphate (a buffering salt), and foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) from the growth medium. Vaccines are also contaminated with mycoplasma, bacteria, monkey viruses and various adjuvants. Heavy metals include thiomersal (mercury) as a preservative and aluminium as an adjuvant. Mercury and aluminium have each been proved to damage the brain and nervous system. In some cases, thiomersal has been replaced by another neurotoxin known as 2PE. Vaccines also contain monosodium glutamate (MSG), sorbitol, and gelatine. Many of these ingredients are not allowed for Muslims, Jews, Hindus or vegetarians."
So do you have any proof of all this or what? Kind of a heavy thing to lay on us with nothing to back it up beyond "an article from muslim doctors"
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:28 AM
 
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So do you have any proof of all this or what? Kind of a heavy thing to lay on us with nothing to back it up beyond "an article from muslim doctors"
Just google "non halal vaccines" and hundreds of links will be listed. It basically falls under the reasons to save life.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Be aware if you have small children. the government will try to make you get shot for then to go to school. Here is the problem, many, most of them, have pork blood and other junk in them. So if you have ever gotten a shot, chances are that there is pork blood in you. You cannot get rid of it either. here is some of an article from muslim doctors. but if you got your shots are are full of pork anyway and will always be.

"Vaccine ingredients include heavy metals, pus from sores of diseased animals, horse serum, calf serum, faecal matter, foetal cells, urine, macerated cancer cells, sweepings from diseased children, formaldehyde (a carcinogen used in embalming fluid), phenol (a carcinogen capable of causing paralysis, convulsions, coma, necrosis and gangrene), lactalbumin hydrolysate (an emulsifier), aluminium phosphate (an aluminium salt that is corrosive to tissues), retro-virus SV-40 (a contaminant virus in some polio vaccines), antibiotics (e.g., neomycin tm) that lead to antibiotic resistance, chick embryo (as a growth medium for the virus), sodium phosphate (a buffering salt), and foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) from the growth medium. Vaccines are also contaminated with mycoplasma, bacteria, monkey viruses and various adjuvants. Heavy metals include thiomersal (mercury) as a preservative and aluminium as an adjuvant. Mercury and aluminium have each been proved to damage the brain and nervous system. In some cases, thiomersal has been replaced by another neurotoxin known as 2PE. Vaccines also contain monosodium glutamate (MSG), sorbitol, and gelatine. Many of these ingredients are not allowed for Muslims, Jews, Hindus or vegetarians."
This seems like a scare tactic to satisfy/justify an arbitrary religious prohibition. Vaccines have saved an innumerable amount of lives and practically erased many diseases from the human population. I understand that religiously there are prohibitions against certain animals like pigs and non-ritually slaughtered poultry/beef, but if there is some kind of benefit we are deriving then it is just silly to say these things are bad because "God doesn't like them", that doesn't say anything at all.

Other chemicals in vaccines that are actually harmful have to be looked at closely. Why are they present in the vaccine? In which vaccines? At what levels? I am all for awareness of any chemicals we might be consuming. List the vaccines that contain harmful chemicals and at what levels, that would be helpful for raising awareness.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Just google "non halal vaccines" and hundreds of links will be listed. It basically falls under the reasons to save life.
Yes, you can google all this and find out more. In the end it all leads to who makes money from all these shots. Of course if there was a shot to heal AIDS and all Cancers that would not be permissable. As it was said in the past " healing cancer is illegal".
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:22 AM
 
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Yes, you can google all this and find out more. In the end it all leads to who makes money from all these shots. Of course if there was a shot to heal AIDS and all Cancers that would not be permissable. As it was said in the past " healing cancer is illegal".
Consuming harmless pork blood by-products is much worse than AIDS or Cancer. Better to die from one of those.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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So do you have any proof of all this or what? Kind of a heavy thing to lay on us with nothing to back it up beyond "an article from muslim doctors"
what kind of proof do you need? You can find article from the holy rollers, or athiest. These are doctors from all walks of life. The stuff in the shots are not easily and openly published. that is the reason they try to make them mandatory. I have had all my shots growing up. Now i dont take any shots. not even the flu shot during the flu season. I will not take any either. That is just me, but there is no escaping the garbage entering our bodies. It comes in chemicals, foods, and many other things. I cannot live a green life, i like burgers and fries. I am not trying to judge those that get shots. Just at least know what you are getting.
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