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Old 10-08-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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Can a person who claims to practice Islam but eats pork, drinks alcohol, and wears skimpy clothing still be considered a Muslim?

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Old 10-08-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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Can a person who claims to practice Islam but eats pork, drinks alcohol, and wears skimpy clothing still be considered a Muslim?
If the person has ever said the shahadah. We would still consider him to be Muslim. but on who is not following Islam. We have no excommunication. If a person claims to be Muslim we accept them as such, We consider it a very grave error to call a Muslim a non-Muslim and since we do not know what is in another person's heart we do not know if they are practicing Islam to the best of their ability. We may see a person failing greatly at following Islam, but if they are sincerly practicing to the best of their ability, they just may be a much better Muslim than the rest of us.

We have no way of knowing for certain who is a Muslim, that is between the person and God(swt)
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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Just like there are Christmas and Easter (C&E) Christians and Yom Kippur Jews, I suppose there are Ramadan Muslims - that is, they only attend services during those times, or when they're "hatched, matched, and dispatched", in the words of a priest I once knew!
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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Just like there are Christmas and Easter (C&E) Christians and Yom Kippur Jews, I suppose there are Ramadan Muslims - that is, they only attend services during those times, or when they're "hatched, matched, and dispatched", in the words of a priest I once knew!
Attending a Mosque is not a social event for us. We usually do not belong to any specific Mosque and just go to the one nearest us at prayer time. Nobody would know if a Muslim is not attending Mosque at prayer times or not. also many of us live too far from one and simply say our prayers on our own.

Even in places where there are many Mosques most still say their prayers where ever they happen to be at prayer times.

As for Ramadan the most pious of us do the least amount of celebrating.

While some families do make up elaborate meals to end the days fast. It is more common to make a small simple meal and anonymously share a minimum one third the value of it with the poor in the community. Many choose to give the value of the full meal they would have if it was not Ramadan.

Marriage is not a religious ceremony for us. It is the signing of a contract. while that can be done in a Mosque, it need not be. The big celebration often seen is the Walima which is not a religious event.

We do have 2 Holidays. The 2 Eids. There is no change in the required prayer times for either. Actually a Muslim who does not attend the Mosque regularly would not even know the prayer times as they change daily. Although in an Islamic Nation they would hear the Adzan (Call to prayer) about 15 minutes before the prayer time.
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