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Old 04-24-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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I once read the Ayatollah Khomeini and he said that Islam was political in nature and could not be separated from government. He said all places truly governed by Islam are theocratic states.

Do you agree with this statement?
Would you be for or against separation of church and state in an area that's predominantly Muslim?
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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since the Christianity is incomplete and deformed in its essence, Christians resolved to remove it from their way.But, in case of Islam which is complete way of life, it's simply enrich every part of life (political, economic or social)..look to Muslim family and Muslim communities and surely they are more stable than others. in the last economic crisis, only banks that adhere to Sharia laws are the survivors.

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Old 04-24-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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I don't think religion can be political. Religion should be for matters of spirituality and food for ones soul. As religion should be a choice everyone in a society should be free to worship God in their own way, as no one has the monopoly on Gods love.

It is important for a society to care for all its members weather religious, atheist or whatever, as each person is entitled to live free from fear we need secular laws which recognise the rights of the individual as a human being regardless of any religious beliefs.

In most "Islamic" countries religion is political and it does seem fair to say that minorities of other faiths and maybe no faith are discriminated against. So this may seem very fair and nice for muslims living in Islamic countries but for people of other faiths...from my own experience...it does feel like one is somehow inferior and is not included in society.
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Old 04-25-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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since the Christianity is incomplete and deformed in its essence, Christians resolved to remove it from their way.But, in case of Islam which is complete way of life, it's simply enrich every part of life (political, economic or social)..look to Muslim family and Muslim communities and surely they are more stable than others. in the last economic crisis, only banks that adhere to Sharia laws are the survivors.

thank you.
Would you want your political and religious leaders to be under the same administration and people or would you want them under different people? Would you want your chief holy man (Imam?) to also be your president?
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Old 04-25-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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Would you want your political and religious leaders to be under the same administration and people or would you want them under different people? Would you want your chief holy man (Imam?) to also be your president?
In Islam we have no ordained clergy or central religious leaders. We have no "Chief Holy Man" an exception is the Shi'a do follow the Ayatollah as a (Chief Holy Man) Which the remaining 90% of Muslims disagree with highly.

However, Islam is a way of life and as such we can not separate it from anything we do. Makes no difference is it is in our occupation, pleasures, hobbies,politic, etc we try to do everything as if it is a prayer.
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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In Islam we have no ordained clergy or central religious leaders. We have no "Chief Holy Man" an exception is the Shi'a do follow the Ayatollah as a (Chief Holy Man) Which the remaining 90% of Muslims disagree with highly.

However, Islam is a way of life and as such we can not separate it from anything we do. Makes no difference is it is in our occupation, pleasures, hobbies,politic, etc we try to do everything as if it is a prayer.
Yes, but if you have a theocratic government, is not your president/prime minister/whatever, also your chief interpreter and enforcer of the scriptures? Is this what the president in Egypt does?
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Old 04-27-2013, 03:35 PM
 
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Yes, but if you have a theocratic government, is not your president/prime minister/whatever, also your chief interpreter and enforcer of the scriptures? Is this what the president in Egypt does?
It is done, but should not be.

We are to follow no religious leaders unless we our self have found reason to agree with them. It is our individual responsibility to find reason to agree or disagree with any Fatawah (Islamic Ruling).


We are not to take any man's Fatawah (Islamic Ruling) as a commandment but to see it as an opinion and search for the truth our self. No Muslim speaks for any Muslim except Him self.

The majority of us Muslims are probably the most independent of people in following our religion and place full emphasis on self responsibility. We alone carry the responsibility of following Islam and do not leave that up to clergy leading us.
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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It is done, but should not be.

We are to follow no religious leaders unless we our self have found reason to agree with them. It is our individual responsibility to find reason to agree or disagree with any Fatawah (Islamic Ruling).


We are not to take any man's Fatawah (Islamic Ruling) as a commandment but to see it as an opinion and search for the truth our self. No Muslim speaks for any Muslim except Him self.

The majority of us Muslims are probably the most independent of people in following our religion and place full emphasis on self responsibility. We alone carry the responsibility of following Islam and do not leave that up to clergy leading us.
So what does the Muslim Brotherhood do? Do they try to enforce the Fatawah?
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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So what does the Muslim Brotherhood do? Do they try to enforce the Fatawah?
The Muslim Brotherhood was originally a religious group separate from the government.

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1928-1938
Main article: History of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt (1928-1938)

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna, along with six workers of the Suez Canal Company. Al-Banna was a schoolteacher, to promote implementing of traditional Islamic sharia law and a social renewal based on an Islamic ethos of altruism and civic duty, in opposition to political and social injustice and to British imperial rule. The organisation initially focused on educational and charitable work, but quickly grew to become a major political force as well, by championing the cause of disenfranchised classes, playing a prominent role in the Egyptian nationalist movement, and promoting a conception of Islam that attempted to restore broken links between tradition and modernity.
But like many organizations it took on a political role which was not part of it's purpose. Here are three links that pretty much show what happened to it. The links may be biased either for or against the Brotherhood. I tried to show different views, even put in one decidedly anti-Islamic source to allow the reader to decide what is the truth about the Brotherhood.

History of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Muslim Brotherhood


Muslim Brotherhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You will get different opinions depending on what source you look at. One thing that should not be overlooked is how oil has played a large role in bringing foreign powers into control of many Islamic oil rich Nations. The result has been a backlash against what is seen by many as a Western take over of Islamic nations.

There are major power struggles taking place in some Islamic nations primarily in the Mideastern Nations. Right or wrong the Brotherhood is trying to be an influence in these struggles.

Good or bad the oil production has gone past it's peak and the majority of the oil reserves are gone. The end of the oil wealth is in view and in the lifetime of most people living today the oil wealth will be gone and the Islamic nations will no longer be of any interest to non-Muslims.

In my opinion to see the future of Islam one needs to look to the far east and how Indonesia and Malaysia incorporate Islamic rule. Indonesia is one of the fastest developing nations in the world and just may become a model for Muslims. Just my opinion.
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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I think its a personal opinion and it depends on the government. In Muslim countries mosques are built by charities and regulated by an Islamic institution. Most Imams are not involved in politics however the main Imam may be involved with the justice and criminal system during death penalties. There are a lot of things that have developed from the Islamic religion and became incorporated by governments worldwide like: taxation derived from Zakah system. Ive even read the French system of laws is derived from Andalusia Spain therefore it contains a lot of Islamic based laws. Islamic laws are highly involved in the court and the constitution of Islamic countries or most countries with Muslim majority. However in North African countries they can use the Christian laws if both parties in Court are Christian and the same with Jewish parties. So there is no separation of Church and state in Islamic countries
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