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I'm sure some here will condemn this man. I'm aware that not all Muslims are violent. When a "Christian" does violence, we are quick to condemn it and say "No....that is not Christian".
Is this man a Muslim? Did he just do what is good and right for Muslims to do?
There are two diametrically opposed viewed on this. Alot of Muslims claim that these are bad Muslims, because jihad is about conquering the self. Then other people say these are just being apologetics, and no actually jihad is about killing other people.
My apologies, folks. I've been busy the last few days with work.
2013.06.11 (Damascus, Syria) - Fourteen people at a public square are ripped apart by Shahid suicide bombers.
2013.06.11 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A devout Muslim blows himself up outside a courthouse, taking seventeen other souls with him.
2013.06.10 (Sadr City, Iraq) - Sunnis bomb a cafe popular with Shiites, killing at least four.
2013.06.10 (Mosul, Iraq) - Five coordinated al-Qaeda bomb blasts leave two dozen people dead and over a hundred more in agony.
2013.06.10 (Nazimabad, Pakistan) - Sunni extremists murder two Shiites on their way to prayers.
2013.06.10 (Orangi, Pakistan) - Sipah-e-Sahaba murder a former Sunni for becoming Shia.
My apologies, folks. I've been busy the last few days with work.
2013.06.11 (Damascus, Syria) - Fourteen people at a public square are ripped apart by Shahid suicide bombers.
2013.06.11 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A devout Muslim blows himself up outside a courthouse, taking seventeen other souls with him.
2013.06.10 (Sadr City, Iraq) - Sunnis bomb a cafe popular with Shiites, killing at least four.
2013.06.10 (Mosul, Iraq) - Five coordinated al-Qaeda bomb blasts leave two dozen people dead and over a hundred more in agony.
2013.06.10 (Nazimabad, Pakistan) - Sunni extremists murder two Shiites on their way to prayers.
2013.06.10 (Orangi, Pakistan) - Sipah-e-Sahaba murder a former Sunni for becoming Shia.
Thank You.
Again notice that except for Pakistan they are in war torn regions and Pakistan is close to being in a state of civil war. I still contend the terrorism acts are due to factors other than religion.
Again notice that except for Pakistan they are in war torn regions and Pakistan is close to being in a state of civil war. I still contend the terrorism acts are due to factors other than religion.
Why is it that suicide bombers are not usually in a nation where the predominant religion is Christian? It seems like it's very rare you hear of a Lutheran doing such a thing.
Why is it that suicide bombers are not usually in a nation where the predominant religion is Christian? It seems like it's very rare you hear of a Lutheran doing such a thing.
It does occur with the same level of ferocity in Christian nations that are war-torn and or poverty stricken
What Christian Nations are currently war torn except for some African Nations. In which you are seeing the same things happening. The Ugandan Lord's Resistence Army has carried on a massive genocide in the name of their flavor of Christianity.
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Based in Northern Uganda and Sudan, the Lord's Resistance Army seeks to destabilize and overthrow the government of Uganda. Formed in 1992 in an attempt to unify a resistance movement fractured by the marginalization of the Uganda Democratic Christian Army, the group promotes a radical form of Christianity which it wants to make the foundation of a new Ugandan government. The group, led by Joseph Kony, has sought to achieve these objectives primarily through unbridled brutality. Rape, torture, and murder have become the group's hallmarks in the almost fifteen years that they have terrorized the citizens of Northern Uganda. The ranks of the LRA are filled in large part (approximately 80%) by children, who are kidnapped and brainwashed into service with the group. Human rights NGOs place the number of children currently fighting with LRA at around 3,000. LRA members also kidnap children, particularly girls, to serve as sex slaves; some have even been given as "gifts" to arms dealers in Sudan.
LRA attacks have been notable for both their brutality and their pointlessness. Two popular nightspots have been bombed, a bus full of people was attacked by club-wielding LRA soldiers who caused 22 fatalities, and an Italian priest was murdered. Other victims include World Food Program volunteers, the former President of Uganda, and mourners at a funeral, who were forced to cook and eat the body of the deceased. No discernible political program underlies these attacks aside from Kony's desire to cause extreme pain and suffering to all Acholi tribes that do not support the LRA.
In addition you have a plague throughout Africa of "Christians" slaughtering accused witches. They consider themselves to be Christians and believe they are following Christianity.
In northern Ghana as of 2010, according to The Guardian, “More than 1,000 women accused of witchcraft … live in refuges, where they have to pay for protection from the chief who runs them.â€2 The Ghanian women have not only been ostracized, but most often have been beaten, even tortured, prior to taking refuge in the witch camps.
In November 2010, in a different article at The Guardian, David Smith reports that a 72-year-old Ghanaian woman, suspected of being a witch, was burned to death. Ama Hemmah was “allegedly tortured into confessing she was a witch, doused in kerosene and set alight. She suffered horrific burns and died the following day.â€3 According to Ghana’s Daily Graphic, Hemmah was attacked by no less than five people, one of whom is an evangelical pastor.4
The shout went up from a posse of children as they raced past the health clinic in a valley deep in the Papua New Guinean highlands. Inside, Swiss-born nurse and nun Sister Gaudentia Meier — 40-something years and a world away from the ordered alps of her homeland — was getting on with her daily routine, patching the wounds and treating the sicknesses of an otherwise woefully neglected population. It was around lunchtime, she recalls.
Sister Gaudentia knew immediately the spectacle the excited children were rushing to see. They were on their way to a witch-burning. There are many names for dark magic in the 850 tongues of Papua New Guinea, sanguma resonating widely in these mountains. The 74-year-old sister hurriedly rounded up some of her staff, loaded them in a car and followed the crowd, with a strong foreboding of what she would find.
Also in the predominately Christian nations of Central and South America you have the terrorism of the drug cartels.
What you see in the Mideast is no more related to Islam than the Horrors occurring in Christian Nations in Africa and South America are related to Christianity.
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Mexican Cartel Beheaded 29--Including Women and Children--In Saturday Night Massacre
Why is it that suicide bombers are not usually in a nation where the predominant religion is Christian? It seems like it's very rare you hear of a Lutheran doing such a thing.
OOps I did not specifically address Christian Suicide Bombers
Here are a few. To be honest not many Christians Suicide bombers have been identified as such in recent years.
The Provisional IRA carried out a number of proxy suicide attacks in 1989–1990 before ceasing due to widespread public outrage in Ireland.[
Christian suspected in suicide bomb attack on Zamboanga airport
The explosion occurred yesterday, causing 2 deaths and 24 wounded. The man was a respected person from the Christian community. According to AsiaNews sources the suicide bomber was in fact a victim. Police and army investigations reveal he that brought the parcel bomb inside the airport without knowing it.
Suicide attacks are the actions of a desperate people that do not have any other means of waging war. Even some of the early Palestinian suicide Bombers were Christian. At the start of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict about 30% of the Palestinians were Christian. They also engaged in the battles against the Israelis, including suicide bombings. The most recent suicide attack by a person wearing the name of Christian, is probably the man in Austin who flew his plane into the IRS building
OOps I did not specifically address Christian Suicide Bombers
You certainly have a great deal of patience, Woodrow. I admire you for that.
The answer to this entire issue is incredibly simple. In some of these muslim-dominate cultures, these people are taught to believe that they will be martyrs if the commit these suicide bombings. Many Christians have been taught that suicide is a mortal sin that will keep their soul out of heaven for eternity. Many Christians are even ashamed if a family member commits suicide and try to cover up those facts. Obituaries might say he "died suddenly" instead of "shot himself in the head," or "jumped in front of a bus."
Comparing Christian and Muslim suicide bombings is not a balanced comparison. The two are not equal issues.
Again notice that except for Pakistan they are in war torn regions and Pakistan is close to being in a state of civil war. I still contend the terrorism acts are due to factors other than religion.
If it were true that these attacks were not commited in the name of religion, then the organizations that claim responsibility for these attacks would not have "Islam", "Muslim", some form of "j/h/d", or "Allah" in their names.
You certainly have a great deal of patience, Woodrow. I admire you for that.
The answer to this entire issue is incredibly simple. In some of these muslim-dominate cultures, these people are taught to believe that they will be martyrs if the commit these suicide bombings. Many Christians have been taught that suicide is a mortal sin that will keep their soul out of heaven for eternity. Many Christians are even ashamed if a family member commits suicide and try to cover up those facts. Obituaries might say he "died suddenly" instead of "shot himself in the head," or "jumped in front of a bus."
Comparing Christian and Muslim suicide bombings is not a balanced comparison. The two are not equal issues.
As you often are, you are probably correct here.
I have been doing a little research on mideastern Suicide bombers and the history of al-Qaida. Needless to say the two are related.
Suicide for any purpose, in Islam is just a serious sin as it is in Christianity. It was also nearly non-existent among Muslims until recent times.
Who was/is al-Qaida and how did they come to instill such a belief among young people?
There actually is no such organization called al-Qaida, it is individual groups usually not connected with each other being labelled with a catch all name.
Origianally al-Qaida (The meeting place) was what Bin Laden called his headquarters during the Afghanistan?Russian war in which Bin Laden recruited and trained young men to fight the Russians. He did quite a successful job at that.
After the Russians were gone Afghanistan was left with very many young men with no Training except how to kill. They grew older and some of them became today's leaders of Terrorist groups. Yes they did select young gullible young kids and yes they did teach the 70 Virgin nonsense (Nonsense as it is not an accurate description of Houris as mentioned in the Qur'an) to young hormone wild young men just entering puberty.
Well most of them young kids are now gone.
The current group of suicide bombers seem to be recruited from older men that may already be suicidal.
Yes some, maybe many suicide bombers are influenced by quasi-religious teachings. But, they are not being taught about Islam.
I think one point should be made that out of the 49 Muslim dominate Nations Suicide bombings appear to be pretty much limited to Mideastern people. The Largest group of Muslims are Asian, but Asian suicide bombers seem to be non-existent. The largest percentage of Muslim Suicide bombers seem to be Arabs from impoverished Nations, yet they make up less than 10% of the world's Muslims. I believe There are factors outside of Islam at work here.
Even among Palestinians, who seem to have gained infamy as suicide bombers, it has a rarity.
Although there have been 804 fatalities attributed to Suicide Bombings by Palestinians since the first 1 in 1989, nearly all of them took place from 2001-2006.
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If Islam was the cause it seems there would have been some before 1989 and that the rate per year would be pretty constant. Instead of suddenly declining after 2006
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