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Good video. Thanks for the share. I have always thought that the interpretation of God in the Quran is very limiting. If God is indeed all powerful who are we to place limitations on God. We are told "nothing is impossible with God" ... This by Angel Gabriel, I'm guessing he would know.
Just letting you all know it will be tomorrow before I can reply. I am essentially deaf and need to wait for my wife to watch the video so she can tell me what is being said. I am not able to hear most of the audio.
Just letting you all know it will be tomorrow before I can reply. I am essentially deaf and need to wait for my wife to watch the video so she can tell me what is being said. I am not able to hear most of the audio.
Woodrow
there is an icon in the bottom of the youtube called CC or caption , click it and it will display the saying in writing
he is interpretation the verses of the Holy Quran according to his creed
and says that the Holly Quran have fallacies, errors and contradictions and he mentioned some of false events from the Bible to support his saying ..etc
Woodrow
there is an icon in the bottom of the youtube called CC or caption , click it and it will display the saying in writing
he is interpretation the verses of the Holy Quran according to his creed
and says that the Holly Quran have fallacies, errors and contradictions and he mentioned some of false events from the Bible to support his saying ..etc
If you're not going to answer the questions properly, don't. Don't turn into a Bible or Quran bashing thread there is other threads for that.
He simply is posting problems from his point of view from what the Quran teaches about the Christian term Son of God and in between that asking if Islam theology matches up. Either discuss it properly or **** off
Thanks
I have always thought that the interpretation of God in the Quran is very limiting. If God is indeed all powerful who are we to place limitations on God. We are told "nothing is impossible with God" ... This by Angel Gabriel, I'm guessing he would know.
Peace be on you. God in Holy Quran is mentioned as all Powerful and Holy. Thus one has to keep in mind that God does not do anything which is against His Holiness. Having son is agaisnt His Holiness. He is Holy and One.....It is teaching of all previous religions too. Idea of sonship and more Gods are deviations.
Following some verses for Holy Quran mentions Unity of God with reasons too.
[ch 59: v 24]He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allah far above that which they associate with Him.
[17:112]And say, ‘All praise belongs to Allah Who has taken unto Himself no son, and Who has no partner in His Kingdom, nor has He anyone to help Him on account of weakness.’ And extol His glory with all glorification.
[6:102]The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
[2:117]And they say, ‘Allah has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He! Nay, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. To Him are all obedient.
[4:172]O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[10:69]They say, ‘Allah has taken unto Himself a son.’ Holy is He! He is Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. You have no authority for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not?
[19:36]It does not befit the Majesty of Allah to take unto Himself a son. Holy is He. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’, and it is.
[19:92]Because they ascribe a son to the Gracious God.
[19:93]Whereas it becomes not the Gracious God to take unto Himself a son.
[21:27]And they say, ‘The Gracious God has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He. Nay, they are only honoured servants.
[23:92]Allah has not taken unto Himself any son, nor is there any other God along with Him; in that case each god would have taken away what he had created, and some of them would surely have dominated over others. Glorified be Allah above all that which they attribute to Him!
[25:3]He to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And He has taken unto Himself no son, and has no partner in the kingdom, and has created everything, and has ordained for it its proper measure.
[37:153]‘Allah has begotten children;’ and they are certainly liars.
[39:5]If Allah had desired to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of what He creates. Holy is He! He is Allah, the One, the Most Supreme.
[43:82]Say, ‘If there had been a son to the Gracious God, I would have been the first of worshippers.’
[72:4]‘And we believe that the majesty of our Lord is exalted. He has taken neither wife nor son unto Himself.
Peace be on you. God in Holy Quran is mentioned as all Powerful and Holy. Thus one has to keep in mind that God does not do anything which is against His Holiness. Having son is agaisnt His Holiness. He is Holy and One.....It is teaching of all previous religions too. Idea of sonship and more Gods are deviations.
Following some verses for Holy Quran mentions Unity of God with reasons too.
[ch 59: v 24]He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allah far above that which they associate with Him.
[17:112]And say, ‘All praise belongs to Allah Who has taken unto Himself no son, and Who has no partner in His Kingdom, nor has He anyone to help Him on account of weakness.’ And extol His glory with all glorification.
[6:102]The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
[2:117]And they say, ‘Allah has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He! Nay, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. To Him are all obedient.
[4:172]O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[10:69]They say, ‘Allah has taken unto Himself a son.’ Holy is He! He is Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. You have no authority for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not?
[19:36]It does not befit the Majesty of Allah to take unto Himself a son. Holy is He. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’, and it is.
[19:92]Because they ascribe a son to the Gracious God.
[19:93]Whereas it becomes not the Gracious God to take unto Himself a son.
[21:27]And they say, ‘The Gracious God has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He. Nay, they are only honoured servants.
[23:92]Allah has not taken unto Himself any son, nor is there any other God along with Him; in that case each god would have taken away what he had created, and some of them would surely have dominated over others. Glorified be Allah above all that which they attribute to Him!
[25:3]He to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And He has taken unto Himself no son, and has no partner in the kingdom, and has created everything, and has ordained for it its proper measure.
[37:153]‘Allah has begotten children;’ and they are certainly liars.
[39:5]If Allah had desired to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of what He creates. Holy is He! He is Allah, the One, the Most Supreme.
[43:82]Say, ‘If there had been a son to the Gracious God, I would have been the first of worshippers.’
[72:4]‘And we believe that the majesty of our Lord is exalted. He has taken neither wife nor son unto Himself.
[112:4]‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
Credit reference: alislam.org/quran
You totally miss the contradictions that Jay Smith pointed out as usual
[6:102]The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
[39:5]If Allah had desired to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of what He creates. Holy is He! He is Allah, the One, the Most Supreme.
Here is one of the contradictions Jay talked about. 6.102 says Allah can't have a son unless he has a consort - Then 39.5 says Allah could have a son if he wanted
Woodrow
there is an icon in the bottom of the youtube called CC or caption , click it and it will display the saying in writing
he is interpretation the verses of the Holy Quran according to his creed
and says that the Holly Quran have fallacies, errors and contradictions and he mentioned some of false events from the Bible to support his saying ..etc
Thank you Truth Teller. that does help. I never noticed the cc option on the youtube videos. Apparently the speaker does not really understand who was being spoken to at the time the Surat were revealed. Some of the Christian and pseudo Jewish/Christian sects in Arabia did worship Mary as part of the Trinity notably the Collyridrians and those were among the people who were being addressed. Also the whole concept of the trinity took centuries to develop in Christianity and the trinity in the past was different from what is called the trinity today. The concept of the "Holy spirit" almost did not become a trinitarian concept. It took several Councils to finalize what the Trinity is and
The first thing I notice is the misunderstanding of Surah 2:171. It is not teaching all Christians believe the Trinity is Jesus, Mary and the Father. It is directed to people who did believe that.
From the commentary of Sayed Maududi regarding Surah 2:
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Historical Background
In order to understand the meaning of this Surah, we should know its historical background:
At Makkah the Quran generally addressed the mushrik Quraish who were ignorant of Islam, but at Al- Madinah it was also concerned with the Jews who were acquainted with the creed of the Unity of Allah, Prophethood, Revelation, the Hereafter and angels. They also professed to believe in the law which was revealed by Allah to their Prophet Moses (Allah's peace be upon him), and in principle, their way was the same (Islam) that was being taught by Prophet Muhammad (Allah's peace be upon him). But they had strayed away from it during the centuries of degeneration and had adopted many un- Islamic creeds, rites and customs of which there was no mention and for which there was no sanction in the Torah. Not only this : they had tampered with the Torah by inserting their own explanations and interpretations into its text. They had distorted even that part of the Word of God which had remained intact in their Scriptures and taken out of it the real spirit of true religion and were now clinging to a lifeless frame of rituals. Consequently their beliefs, their morals and their conduct had gone to the lowest depths of degeneration. The pity is that they were not only satisfied with their condition but loved to cling to it. Besides this, they had no intention or inclination to accept any kind of reform. So they became bitter enemies of those who came to teach them the Right Way and did their worst to defeat every such effort. Though they were originally Muslims, they had swerved from the real Islam and made innovations and alterations in it and had fallen victims to hair splitting and sectarianism. They had forgotten and forsaken Allah and begun to serve mammon. So much so that they had even given up their original name "Muslim" and adopted the name "Jew" instead, and made religion the sole monopoly of the children of Israel. This was their religious condition when the Holy Prophet went to Al-Madinah and invited the Jews to the true religion. That is why more than one third of this Surah has been addressed to the children of Israel. A critical review of their history, their moral degeneration and their religious perversions has been made; side by side with this the high standard of morality and the fundamental principles of the pure religion have been put forward in order to bring out clearly the nature of the degeneration of the community of a prophet when it goes astray and to draw clear lines of demarcation between real piety and formalism, and the essentials and non-essentials of the true religion.
At Makkah Islam was mainly concerned with the propagation of its fundamental principles and the moral training of its followers. But after the migration of the Holy Prophet to Al-Madinah, where Muslims had come to settle from all over Arabia and where a tiny Islamic State had been set up with the help of the Ansar (local supporters), naturally the Quran had to turn its attention to the social, cultural, economic, political and legal problems as well. This accounts for the difference between the themes of the surahs revealed at Makkah and those at Al- Madinah. Accordingly about half of this Surah deals with those principles and regulations which are essential for the integration and solidarity of a community and for the solution of its problems.
After the migration to Al-Madinah, the struggle between Islam and un-Islam had also entered a new phase. Before this the Believers, who propagated Islam among their own clans and tribes, had to face its opponents at their own risk. But the conditions had changed at Al- Madinah, where Muslims from all parts of Arabia had come and settled as one community, and had established an independent city state. Here it became a struggle for the' survival of the Community itself, for the whole of non- Muslim Arabia was bent upon and united in crushing it totally. Hence the following instructions, upon which depended not only its success but its very survival, were revealed in this Surah :-
The Community should work with the utmost zeal to propagate its ideology and win over to its side the greatest possible number of people.
It should so expose its opponents as to leave no room for doubt in the mind of any sensible person that they were adhering to an absolutely wrong position.
It should infuse in it's members (the majority of whom were homeless and indigent and surrounded on all sides by enemies) that courage and fortitude which is so indispensable to their very existence in the adverse circumstances in which they were struggling and to prepare them to face these boldly.
It should also keep them ready and prepared to meet any armed menace, which might come from any side to suppress and crush their ideology, and to oppose it tooth and nail without minding the overwhelming numerical strength and the material resources of its enemies
It should also create in them that courage which is needed for the eradication of evil ways and for the establishment of the Islamic Way instead.
That is why Allah has revealed in this Surah such instructions as may help achieve all the above mentioned objects.
During this period, a new type of "Muslims," munafiqin (hypocrites), had begun to appear. Though signs of duplicity had been noticed during the last days at Makkah, they took a different shape at Al-Madinah. At Makkah there were some people who professed Islam to be true but were not prepared to abide by the consequences of this profession and to sacrifice their worldly interests and relations and bear the afflictions which inevitably follow the acceptance of this creed. But at Al-Madinah different kinds of munafiqin (hypocrites) began to appear. There were some who had entered the Islamic fold merely to harm it from within. There were others who were surrounded by Muslims and, therefore, had become "Muslims" to safeguard their worldly interests. They, therefore, continued to have relations with the enemies so that if the latter became successful, their interests should remain secure. There were still others who had no strong conviction of the truth of Islam but had embraced it along with their clans. Lastly, there were those who were intellectually convinced of the truth of Islam but did not have enough moral courage to give up their former traditions, superstitions and personal ambitions and live up to the Islamic moral standards and make sacrifice in its way. At the time of the revelation of Al-Baqarah, all sorts of hypocrites had begun to appear. Allah has, therefore, briefly pointed out their characteristics here. Afterwards when their evil characteristics and mischievous deeds became manifest, Allah sent detailed instructions about them.
A brief History of the collyridrians in Arabia, while the article calls them a 4th Century sect, it seems they lasted much longer as 2:171 written in the 7th century was addressing them
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Q: Who are the Collyridians?A:
Kollyridians or Collyridians were adorers of Mary in the fourth-century Arabia, as Epiphanius mentioned in his writing against heretics (see: Haer. 78, 23; 79). He coined the expression Collyridians which has the meaning of "cake-eater-sect." Leontius of Byzance had a different name for them. He called them "Philomarianites," meaning Mary-lovers (PG 87, 1364). The priestesses of this sect used to present Our Lady with cakes or a special kind of bread (kolluris) intended as offerings as was the custom in pre-Christian times. This sect, mainly consisting of women or at least led by woman priests, propagated what amounts to a Goddess cult regarding Our Lady. Epiphanius had this warning on their behalf: "Although Mary is the most beautiful and holy and worthy of praise, we don't owe her adoration." (Haer. 79, 7, PG 42, 752) In a different passage Epiphanius uses even stronger words: "Adoration must cease. For Mary is no goddess nor has she received her body from heaven. (oute gar theos hae Maria oute ap'ouranou exousa to soma)" (Haer. 78, 24). Collyridians are also known and mentioned by John Damascene (PG 94, 728).
While the overall message of the Qur'an is for all people it must be remembered who the specific audience was when it was being revealed. It also must be remembered that each Surah is a seperate writing and not always addressing the same people. The Surat are basically of 4 types.
1. those addressed to pagans and Idolators
2. those addressed to People of the book( ie Jews and Christians)
3. those addressed as warnings to those who declared war on Islam
4. Those addressed to those who had accepted Islam
It is important to know who was being addressed when discussing a surah and Ayyats should not be quoted as a self standing concept. To understand any Ayyat the overall Surah must be taken into consideration.
It is probably better that a Non-Muslim read a Tafsir (commentary) of the Qur'an rather than an English Translation. As no Translation is the Qur'an not even one Authorized by anyone in Saudi is the Qur'an. Saudi did not even exist until about 100 years ago. The "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" is a new country named after the al-Saud Family that conquered the Arabian Peninsula in 1932
The whole issue comes down to just one question that needs to be answered that being: "Which is the word of Allaah(swt) the Qur'an or the NT?"
You totally miss the contradictions that Jay Smith pointed out as usual
[6:102]The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
[39:5]If Allah had desired to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of what He creates. Holy is He! He is Allah, the One, the Most Supreme.
Here is one of the contradictions Jay talked about. 6.102 says Allah can't have a son unless he has a consort - Then 39.5 says Allah could have a son if he wanted
Not a contradiction. The first is asking a question. the second is stating a fact.
Sort of like if I make the following 2 comments.
1. How can John drive, he does not have a car?
2. John has a drivers license that permits him to drive a car.
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