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Old 12-16-2014, 03:24 PM
 
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Does killing Muslims sound Islamic to you?

All they will earn for that effort is Hell fire. I do not know of any Islamic teaching that condones suicide for any reason.

Not for you. But for them its the highest form of sacrifice that ensures salvation.

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Old 12-16-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Not for you. But for them its the highest form of sacrifice that ensures salvation.
Do the statements from those behind the Peshwar school attack seem to be based upon any religious teaching?

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The Pakistan Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack.

Muhammad Khorasani, TTP spokesperson, told Al Jazeera the suicide bombers had been given orders to allow the youngest students to leave but to kill the rest.

The attack was in retaliation for an ongoing Pakistan Army operation against the TTP and its allies in the North Waziristan tribal area
, Khorasani said.

The TTP said many of their family members had been killed in the campaign, and said the attack on the school was in revenge for those deaths.

"Many TTP members have lost their family members and they have said they want to inflict pain," Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder said.

"But many ordinary people put their children in military schools because of the relatively higher standard of education, so normal people have been hit as well by this."

Major General Asim Saleem Bajwa said all the attackers wore suicide vests and carried rations to last for days. He, however, said the gunmen opened indiscriminate fire and it did not seem they were planning to take hostages.
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This was an act of retaliation against the Pakistan Government. Not a religious directive.
A wrong and vengeful attack. Based on anger and revenge, not Islam.
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Not for you. But for them its the highest form of sacrifice that ensures salvation.
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A Brief Description of the Question:
Why is committing suicide a sin in Islam?
The Answer:

Committing suicide is a grave sin which is forbidden by Islam. A Muslim’s killing himself/herself is a bigger murder and sin than killing another person. Thus, Islamic scholars have disputed whether the funeral prayer of a person who has committed suicide is performed or not. This discussion is not made for a murderer who killed someone. A murderer’s funeral prayer is performed.

A person who has a slightest degree of Iman (belief) in his/her heart does not accept to perform such a grave sin and want a bad end. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) stated in his hadiths that committing suicide is a grave sin. In one of the hadiths is the following is stated:

The Prophet said,

He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire. (Bukhari, Janaiz 84)

It is clear that a Muslim should not attempt to perform such a grave sin when he/she comes across with a difficult worldly event that he/she cannot bear. It is because even the biggest and worst event of world is not considered important and terrifying for a believer when compared with an event of the hereafter. This world is transitory and mortal.

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As a Muslim I believe suicide for any purpose is wrong. Also the killing of non-combatants is specifically forbidden in the Qur'an and Ahadith. Even in war all precautions are to be taken not to harm Non-combatants, children, Women, the Elderly,the disabled and clergy of all faiths.
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Old 12-17-2014, 04:00 AM
 
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It's horrible to say this but maybe we just let christian country for christians and muslims country for muslims, without any exchange of population.
Like this everybody can live under their own law without prejudice for the others.
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Old 12-17-2014, 04:23 AM
 
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As a Muslim I believe suicide for any purpose is wrong. Also the killing of non-combatants is specifically forbidden in the Qur'an and Ahadith. Even in war all precautions are to be taken not to harm Non-combatants, children, Women, the Elderly,the disabled and clergy of all faiths.
Seems like ISIS and Al Qaeda never got that memo as they seem content to just keep on murdering every one.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Do the statements from those behind the Peshwar school attack seem to be based upon any religious teaching?

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This was an act of retaliation against the Pakistan Government. Not a religious directive.
A wrong and vengeful attack. Based on anger and revenge, not Islam.
We all know those extremists find it islamic to kill apostates. And for them all muslims who oppose them are apostates. right?
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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Seems like ISIS and Al Qaeda never got that memo as they seem content to just keep on murdering every one.
If you look closely you may notice that Taliban and al-Qaeda have been killing more Muslims than any other group of people.

It is somewhat difficult for Muslims to believe they are following Islam.

While it is true that because they say they are Muslims and have said the Shahadah we do accept them as being Muslims, but at the same time they are showing themselves as being intent on killing all Muslims.
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Old 12-18-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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According to report IS beheads 150 women for not acquiescing to forced marriage ...

ISIS beheads 150 women for refusing

The old familiar MO.
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Old 12-19-2014, 03:26 AM
 
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Have read about how the prophet Muhammad became a prophet in a scholarly written about world religions. Islam began in the Arab Peninsula, inhabitants believed in deities, spirits and polydemonism. Claimed he was a descendant of Ismael, son of Abraham. He and his first followers were ran out of Mecca, he and a few returned
To Mecca and were placed under siege. While under siege, he had a revelations he told his captors that along with Allah, their three main goddesses were accepted. He was released and when he reached Ethiopia, he announced that his revelation was the devil speaking and only Allah was God. Recordings of that revelation were erased from his teachings. So much more but that is Islam.
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Old 12-19-2014, 06:09 AM
 
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Have read about how the prophet Muhammad became a prophet in a scholarly written about world religions. Islam began in the Arab Peninsula, inhabitants believed in deities, spirits and polydemonism. Claimed he was a descendant of Ismael, son of Abraham. He and his first followers were ran out of Mecca, he and a few returned
To Mecca and were placed under siege. While under siege, he had a revelations he told his captors that along with Allah, their three main goddesses were accepted. He was released and when he reached Ethiopia, he announced that his revelation was the devil speaking and only Allah was God. Recordings of that revelation were erased from his teachings. So much more but that is Islam.
source please.
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