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Old 09-22-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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And when I say paid for by the church, it is a lose statement.

Paid for by the representatives of the religion, is probably more accurate.
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Here is the terror meter I speak of, while it is used by many, it is these people who produce it.
Been a while since I was there, my mistake, not 22,000, almost 24,000

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Now before you use the worn out excuse, "that's a hate site", look at it rationally.
Any site that gets into Islam in depth will be called a hate site, and the information contained within, will not be put out by Islam itself.

Also the site will supply any references you want.

The reality is that it is a real site, that exposes Islam for what it really is. A terror organization.
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Old 09-22-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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Woodrow

Here is the terror meter I speak of, while it is used by many, it is these people who produce it.
Been a while since I was there, my mistake, not 22,000, almost 24,000

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Now before you use the worn out excuse, "that's a hate site", look at it rationally.
Any site that gets into Islam in depth will be called a hate site, and the information contained within, will not be put out by Islam itself.

Also the site will supply any references you want.

The reality is that it is a real site, that exposes Islam for what it really is. A terror organization.
I see it is an ongoing counter of what they define as terrorist attacks.



The counter only goes in one direction. In other words if there are no new attacks it stays put. This goes back to 9/11 2001. Did they count that as one attack or as 3,000?

A very large part of that number is going to be the Hamas Rockets out of Gaza. I suspect that a very large part of that number will be Rockets fired from Gaza---Are you going to say that reflects all Muslims?

Looking at the page I still come to the conclusion that the vast majority of "Terrorist" attacks are in one part of the world and virtually all deaths are Muslim killed by despots claiming to be Muslim

Some of the pictures do look a touch fabricated. The "German Shariah Police" wearing shirts in English.

But it is a view and we all need to look at all views and try to understand the reason for them
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Old 09-22-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Obviously you did not read anything of how they are counted and validated.

No, the 9/11 may not even be counted, but if it is, it is counted as one attack.

Most of the attacks have many, many victims, and are counted as one attack, and any attack, of all 23.000 can be looked up for more details.

For example, here is todays.




Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
Quran 48:29


[SIZE=2]2014.09.21 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Cairo, Egypt[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Fundamentalist bombers transform two police officers into a puddle of blood.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Karachi, Pakistan[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]A Shiite banker is shot to death in front of his children by Sunni radicals.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Benghazi, Libya[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]A blogger and his friend are shot to death by fundamentalists.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Ganse, Cameroon[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Four civilians are riddled with bullets by Boko Haram.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Karradah, Iraq[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Sunnis set off a bomb outside a Shiite mosque, laying out nine of their sectarian rivals.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Baghlan, Afghanistan[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Six people outside a mosque are sent straight to Allah by Religion of Peace rivals.[/SIZE]
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Old 09-22-2014, 01:06 PM
 
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OOpppps again my bad
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Obviously you did not read anything of how they are counted and validated.

No, the 9/11 may not even be counted, but if it is, it is counted as one attack.

Most of the attacks have many, many victims, and are counted as one attack, and any attack, of all 23.000 can be looked up for more details.

For example, here is todays.




Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
Quran 48:29


[SIZE=2]2014.09.21 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Cairo, Egypt[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Fundamentalist bombers transform two police officers into a puddle of blood.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Karachi, Pakistan[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]A Shiite banker is shot to death in front of his children by Sunni radicals.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Benghazi, Libya[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]A blogger and his friend are shot to death by fundamentalists.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Ganse, Cameroon[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Four civilians are riddled with bullets by Boko Haram.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Karradah, Iraq[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Sunnis set off a bomb outside a Shiite mosque, laying out nine of their sectarian rivals.[/SIZE][SIZE=2]2014.09.19 [/SIZE]([SIZE=2]Baghlan, Afghanistan[/SIZE]) - [SIZE=2]Six people outside a mosque are sent straight to Allah by Religion of Peace rivals.[/SIZE]
still thinking an Ayyat is a commandment. and truncating it at that and taking just one Translation

For beginers you can try an online translator and you will find أَشِدَّاء does not translate as Harsh. It is more in line with firm or stern as a teacher would do with a student.

Putting the Ayyat in whole with both the English and Arabic You will Find the Arabic word for Harsh
قاسية does not appear in it.

Looking at the full ayyat and using Assad's Translation you will find:




مُّحَمَّدٌ رَّسُولُ اللَّهِ وَالَّذِينَ مَعَهُ أَشِدَّاء عَلَى الْكُفَّارِ رُحَمَاء بَيْنَهُمْ تَرَاهُمْ رُكَّعًا سُجَّدًا يَبْتَغُونَ فَضْلًا مِّنَ اللَّهِ وَرِضْوَانًا سِيمَاهُمْ فِي وُجُوهِهِم مِّنْ أَثَرِ السُّجُودِ ذَلِكَ مَثَلُهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَمَثَلُهُمْ فِي الْإِنجِيلِ كَزَرْعٍ أَخْرَجَ شَطْأَهُ فَآزَرَهُ فَاسْتَغْلَظَ فَاسْتَوَى عَلَى سُوقِهِ يُعْجِبُ الزُّرَّاعَ لِيَغِيظَ بِهِمُ الْكُفَّارَ وَعَدَ اللَّهُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْهُم مَّغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (48:29)

48:29 (Asad) MUHAMMAD is God’s Apostle; and those who are [truly] with him are firm and unyielding towards all deniers of the truth, [yet] full of mercy towards one anotherThou canst see them bowing down, pros*trating themselves [in prayer], seeking favour with God and [His] goodly acceptance: their marks are on their faces, traced by prostration. This is their parable in the Torah as well as their parable in the Gospel: [they are] like a seed that brings forth its shoot, and then He strengthens it, so that it grows stout, and [in the end] stands firm upon its stem, delighting the sowers. [Thus will God cause the believers to grow in strength,] so that through them He might confound the deniers of the truth. [But] unto such of them as may [yet] attain to faith and do righteous deeds, God has promised forgiveness and a reward supreme.
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Old 09-22-2014, 02:11 PM
 
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You are trying again to sidestep the problem.

As was pointed out before, we are not using one example for a reference.

And if there was only one example, the words can be twisted around to mean something else.

We are using hundreds of examples, and a distinct pattern of behavior.

One easy one to point out is the word "virgins", also translates to grapes, raisns, or pearls, and some muslims will try to use this as an argument.


However the many, many, times it is used, and the description given, leaves no doubt it is women they are speaking of, not grapes.


Translation is a worn out argument, that is simply not valid.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:26 PM
 
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You are trying again to sidestep the problem.

As was pointed out before, we are not using one example for a reference.

And if there was only one example, the words can be twisted around to mean something else.

We are using hundreds of examples, and a distinct pattern of behavior.

One easy one to point out is the word "virgins", also translates to grapes, raisns, or pearls, and some muslims will try to use this as an argument.


However the many, many, times it is used, and the description given, leaves no doubt it is women they are speaking of, not grapes.


Translation is a worn out argument, that is simply not valid.
One odd thing-----

any word that can be translated as Virgin is only found in the Qur'an twice


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Noble Quran - English / Muhammad Asad


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Displaying Verse 1 through 2 of 2 Verse(s) found. ( 2 Verse(s) displayed). Back - Print This Page

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Al-Waqi'a (The Event)

فَجَعَلْنَاهُنَّ أَبْكَارًا (56:36)

56:36 (Asad) having resurrected them as virgins, [14]

At-Tahrem (The Banning)

عَسَى رَبُّهُ إِن طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَن يُبْدِلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرًا مِّنكُنَّ مُسْلِمَاتٍ مُّؤْمِنَاتٍ قَانِتَاتٍ تَائِبَاتٍ عَابِدَاتٍ سَائِحَاتٍ ثَيِّبَاتٍ وَأَبْكَارًا (66:5)

66:5 (Asad) [O wives of the Prophet!] Were he to divorce [any of] you, God might well give him in your stead spouses better than you - women who surrender themselves unto God, who truly believe, devoutly obey His will, turn [unto Him] in repentance [whenever they have sinned] worship [Him alone] and go on and on [seeking His goodly acceptance] [9] - be they women previously married or virgins. [10]
The Hori Ayn while often called Virgins by Scholars and Imams actually translates to "Wide Eyed Beautiful companions of the highest virtue"

While some people seem to be hung up on sex and essentialy compare them to animated blow-up dolls. The rest of us accept we know little about them except they are created to serve us. Myself I picture them as being more like the Christian concept of Angels.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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You can create any fantasy you want, however the actual meaning is a female virgin.

Some are 180 feet tall

some have transparent legs.

All re-grow their virginity.

Some are matched in age,
The numbers you get changes constantly, popular numbers are
One.
Two.
Undisclosed number.
70
72
over 6000

All are waiting just for you.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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You can create any fantasy you want, however the actual meaning is a female virgin.

Some are 180 feet tall

some have transparent legs.

All re-grow their virginity.

Some are matched in age,
The numbers you get changes constantly, popular numbers are
One.
Two.
Undisclosed number.
70
72
over 6000

All are waiting just for you.
Quote 3 ayyats in the Qur'an that mention Virgins
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