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Old 09-22-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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Quote 3 ayyats in the Qur'an that mention Virgins
Sorry, but using the Quran is another worn out excuse.
Virgins are mentioned all day long in the sunnah.

The Qur'an has very little information about Islam.
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Old 09-22-2014, 03:24 PM
 
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Sorry, but using the Quran is another worn out excuse.
Virgins are mentioned all day long in the sunnah.

The Qur'an has very little information about Islam.
Quote please ---and Ishaq is not the Sunnah

the Sunnah is the Madhabs and Ahadith. Primarily the ahadith
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Old 09-22-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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Are you saying you have not heard of virgins in islamic text
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Old 09-22-2014, 06:06 PM
 
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Here is a few, I can come up with these all day.

055.058 Like unto Rubies and coral.
[SIZE=2]055.072[/SIZE] Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-
055.073 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
055.074 Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
055.075 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
[SIZE=2]056.035[/SIZE]: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
056.036 And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
056.037 Beloved (by nature), equal in age,-
056.038 For the Companions of the Right Hand.
[SIZE=2]078.031[/SIZE] Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;
078.032 Gardens enclosed, and grapevines;
078.033 And voluptuous women of equal age;
078.034 And a cup full (to the brim).




Bukhari:V4B55N544
"Allah's Apostle said, 'The first group who will enter Paradise will be glittering like the moon and those who will follow will glitter like the most brilliant star. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk. Their companions will be houris [virgins]. All of them will look alike and will be sixty cubits (180 feet) tall.'"


Bukhari:V4B54N476-544
"The Prophet said, 'In Paradise they will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Everyone will have two virgins who will be so beautiful and transparent the bones of their legs will be seen through their flesh.

And for those with an alternative lifestyle.

Qur'an 76:19
"And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age
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Old 09-22-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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Are you saying you have not heard of virgins in islamic text
Mostly in the musings of misguided people claiming to be knowledgeable.

Virgins are pretty much not mentioned in the Ahadith and Madhabs


Unless it is speaking of the virtues of Virginity among those unmarried. Out of the 6 Books of Hadith followed by Sunni virgins are mentioned 34 times and none relate to Virgins in Heaven removing the duplications it looks like about 10 individual hadith.

Not a peep about 72 virgins in Heaven.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:32 PM
 
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apparently you have not done as much reading as you think.

Virgins abound, I will dig up some more.

also the 72 virgins is mostly promotes by the west as a cut on muslims.

It comes from one hadieth. I will get it.

However muhammed was a pathological liar and told different stories to different people.
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:35 PM
 
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Whilst there are many references to be found in the Qur'an and other Islamic scriptures referring to the general concept of virgins in heaven, many people are under the misconception that there is only one weak reference to the specific number of 72 virgins. These narrations are in fact found in many hadith collections with varying levels of authenticity.
72 Virgins Hadith Narrations

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Reported in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Sunan al-Tirmidhi[edit]

“For the Shahid in the Divine presence there will be six qualities: [1] he will be forgiven from the first moment his blood is spilled; [2] he shall see his seat in Paradise and be protected against the punishment of the grave; [3] he shall be safe from the Greatest Terror [the rising of the dead]; [4] he shall be crowned with the diadem of dignity, one ruby of which is worth more than the entire world and its contents; [5] he shall be coupled with seventy-two spouses from the wide-eyed maidens of Paradise; and [6] he shall be granted to intercede for seventy of his relatives.”
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal , Sunan al-Tirmidhi

This is a “fair, sound, single-chained hadith (hasan sahih gharib).”
Abu Sa`id al-Khudri said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The humblest of the People of Paradise shall have eighty thousand servants and seventy-two wives. A palace of pearl and peridot(a: A pale green variety of chrysolite; used as a gemstone) and sapphire shall be erected for him as wide as the distance between al-Jabiya [a valley about 70 kms. East of Makka] and San`a’ [in Yemen].”
Sunan al-Tirmidhi Vol. IV, ch. 21, hadith 2687

Reported in Ibn Majah, Ibn `Adi in the Kamil, and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur[edit]

Abu Umama said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “None is made to enter Paradise by Allah Most High except Allah Most High shall marry him to seventy-two wives, two of them from the wide-eyed maidens of Paradise and seventy of them his inheritance from the People of Hellfire, not one of them but her attraction never lags nor his arousal ever wanes.”
Ibn Majah, Ibn `Adi in the Kamil, and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur

Al-Suyuti marked its chain as “fair” (hasan) in al-Jami` al-Saghir (7989).
Reported in Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar[edit]

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.”
Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

Reported in Sunan al-Kubra and Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal[edit]

Anas said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The servant in Paradise shall be married with seventy wives.” Someone said, “Messenger of Allah, can he bear it?” He said: “He will be given strength for a hundred.”
From Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah be well-pleased with him, when an incredulous Jew or Christian asked the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace, “Are you claiming that a man will eat and drink in Paradise??” He replied: “Yes, by the One in Whose hand is my soul, and each of them will be given the strength of a hundred men in his eating, drinking, coitus, and pleasure.”
Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli in the Du`afa’, and Musnad of Abu Bakr al-Bazzar

Ibn Abi Shayba, Ibn Hibban, and al-Hakim declared it sahih (authentic).
Reported in Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal[edit]

Abu Hurayra said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “The humblest of the People of Paradise in rank shall have seven levels and as he will be on the sixth, below the seventh, he will have three hundred servants, every morning and evening three hundred dishes of gold shall be brought before him, every dish carrying something the other does not. He will taste pleasure as sharply with the first dish as he will with the last. He shall say, ‘My Lord! If you gave me permission, I would feed all the people of Paradise and water them from what I have and nothing should go missing from it.’ He will most certainly have seventy-two wives from the wide-eyed maidens of Paradise, the couch of only one of whom is as wide as a square mile on earth.”
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal

Reported by Abu al-Shaykh in al-`Azama and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur[edit]

Ibn Abi Awfa said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “Every man from the People of Paradise shall be married off to four thousand virgins, eight thousand slave-girls, and one hundred wide-eyed maidens of Paradise. They shall all meet him within every seven days. They shall say with their exquisite voices no creature has ever heard the like before: ‘We are the everlasting women, we never grow old, we are the refined women, we never grow sour, we are the ever-pleased women, we never anger, we are the sedentary ones, we never travel away, blessings to him who is for us and we are for him!’”
Abu al-Shaykh in al-`Azama and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur

Reported in Ma`rifat al-Sahaba and Tarikh Dimashq[edit]

Hatib ibn Abi Balta`a said, Allah be well-pleased with him: I heard the Messenger of Allah say, upon him blessings and peace: “The believer in Paradise shall be married off to seventy-two women, seventy women of the hereafter and two women of the women of this world.”
Abu al-Shaykh in al-`Azama and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur

Reported in al-Saghir and al-Awsat, Sifat al-Janna, and al-Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad[edit]

Abu Hurayra said, Allah be well-pleased with him: It was asked, “Messenger of Allah, do we reach our women in Paradise?” He replied, “A man will reach in a single day one hundred virgins.”
Al-Tabarani in al-Saghir and al-Awsat, Abu Nu`aym in Sifat al-Janna, and al-Khatib in Tarikh Baghdad
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Old 09-22-2014, 07:38 PM
 
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We have still only touched the tip of the iceberg, these are just a few.

And while any single one can be manipulated into a new wording, by words invented long after the original writings, the sheer magnitude of them, puts the point across.

and as I said, this is just a tip of the iceberg, there are many, many, more.
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:02 PM
 
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Here is a few, I can come up with these all day.

055.058 Like unto Rubies and coral.
[SIZE=2]055.072[/SIZE] Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-
055.073 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
055.074 Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
055.075 Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
[SIZE=2]056.035[/SIZE]: We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
056.036 And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), -
056.037 Beloved (by nature), equal in age,-
056.038 For the Companions of the Right Hand.
[SIZE=2]078.031[/SIZE] Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires;
078.032 Gardens enclosed, and grapevines;
078.033 And voluptuous women of equal age;
078.034 And a cup full (to the brim).




Bukhari:V4B55N544
"Allah's Apostle said, 'The first group who will enter Paradise will be glittering like the moon and those who will follow will glitter like the most brilliant star. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk. Their companions will be houris [virgins]. All of them will look alike and will be sixty cubits (180 feet) tall.'"


Bukhari:V4B54N476-544
"The Prophet said, 'In Paradise they will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Everyone will have two virgins who will be so beautiful and transparent the bones of their legs will be seen through their flesh.

And for those with an alternative lifestyle.

Qur'an 76:19
"And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age
Seems like you are finding the ones in which the Houris Ayn are being Translated as being Human Virgins. Neither the Qur'an nor Ahadith say much about the Houris except they are eternally pure and of the Highest virtues companions to serve us. They will be created specifically for each person.

Even among scholars it is debated as to if they are intended for sexual purposes and that is no where specifically stated.

Like I said the Arab word for virgins only occurs in the Qur'an twice and the Ahadith 34 times and no where indicates anthing sexual. However, it is said they will do what ever is asked of them. For ayyat 56::36 read what is being spoken of (That is also one of the 2 Places Virgin is used in the Qur'an




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56:30 (Asad) and shade extended, [12]

56:31 (Asad) and waters gushing,

56:32 (Asad) and fruit abounding,

56:33 (Asad) never-failing and never out of reach.

56:34 (Asad) And [with them will be their] spouses, raised high:

56:35 (Asad) for, behold, We shall have brought them into being in a life renewed,

56:36 (Asad) having resurrected them as virgins,
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Sorry, but there is no debating what they are speaking about, as I said, if there was one verse, you could manipulate it, but there are easily a hundred more.


I am sensing "kitman" here, ( Lying by omission) you could not be learned in islam, and know nothing about muhammed and his concept of virgins.
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