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Old 10-05-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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Your statement reminds me of when a famous cleric got on nationwide TV, and said.

Show me in the Qur'an, where it says to fly airplanes into buildings.

The writings of islam, both Qur'an and sunnah, repeatedly say to kill the non-believers, and if you follow muhammeds life story, that's exactly what he did.


You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. ( Qur'an)
I do find quite a few place where Muslims did Kill non-Muslims. But no where is there any command for us, living today, to do so,

Even in the past during the wars killing was in defense only and as a last resort.
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Old 10-06-2014, 06:57 AM
 
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Actually the commands in islam are open-ended, and are valid for today, tomorrow, and next week.

And only one of muhammeds battles could even be considered self defence, however it was when they faced off with real soldiers, and lost 7000 men, and most of the Qur'an.

He is documented in 78 raids. All, where he was the aggressor, for booty.
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Old 10-07-2014, 02:53 AM
 
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Peace be on you.
As the middle east saga continues, some people have found an excuse to paste baseless allegations against Islam

Baseless allegations? -- Muslims themselves have been saying at least some of this stuff for a very long time.

It isn't critics of Islam that invented these ideas. It's Muslims that invented these ideas!
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Old 10-07-2014, 02:56 AM
 
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Even in the past during the wars killing was in defense only and as a last resort.
Yes, Muslims got all the way to France fighting in self defence!
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Old 10-07-2014, 02:58 AM
 
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If a person is worshiping God(swt) to whe best of his ability and in accordance to available knowledge he/she is performing Islam

Muhammad(saws) did not bring anything new. He simply restored what Adam, Moses, Noah, Jesus etc did they performed Islam (Submitted to God)
This is just question-begging a fundamentalist worldview.
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Old 10-07-2014, 03:40 AM
 
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Yes, Muslims got all the way to France fighting in self defence!

The Holy Roman Empire carried Christianity into all of Europe, The UK and even got all the way to Turkey,Jerusalem and Arabia. But when the Ottoman Empire began pushing back it was called Muslim Aggression and invasion.
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Old 10-07-2014, 05:13 AM
 
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If American Muslims beheaded people like isis is doing I would fully except American Muslims to form up an stand with other Americans to stop them. If an American group was beheading people in other countries in the name of america I would expect Americans to form up and offer any help needed. This belief leads me to wonder why Muslims countries are not flocking in to stop this isis thing.
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Old 10-07-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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If American Muslims beheaded people like isis is doing I would fully except American Muslims to form up an stand with other Americans to stop them. If an American group was beheading people in other countries in the name of america I would expect Americans to form up and offer any help needed. This belief leads me to wonder why Muslims countries are not flocking in to stop this isis thing.
The ones that are financially capable are doing just that. However keep in mind, well over 1/2 in fact nearly 2/3 of the world's Muslims are in 5 Nations and in 2 of those Islam is a minority.

But Indonesia and Pakistan which represent about 1/3 of the World's Muslims are in the midst of the war against ISIS

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he president of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim-majority country, deemed the actions of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria group “embarrassing” to the religion and called upon Muslim leaders to unite in tackling extremism, Agence France-Presse reported.

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said the scale of the killing instigated by the extremists in their offensive in large areas of Iraq and Syria and the level of violence being used was appalling.
Infographic: Muslim leaders condemn ISIS
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Pakistani soldiers called in to protect Saudi Arabia’s border against ISIS
Saudi Arabia has deployed thousands of troops from Egypt and Pakistan along its border with Iraq, amid fears of invasion by the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS).

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Bangladesh, India and China contain the next largest segment of the world's Muslims Nearly 1/3 but Muslims are minorities in India and China with little political say in those nations. Bangladesh while containing nearly 1/4 of the world's Muslims is also one of the world's poorest nations with no military strength. However they are arresting those trying to recruit for ISIS

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British ISIS suspect is arrested in Bangladesh on suspicion of recruiting jihadists to fight in Syria

Local police named arrested Briton as Samiun Rahman, alias Ibne Hamdan
They suspect him of recruiting militants for ISIS in two Bangladeshi cities
He arrived in the country in February, having previously spent time in Syria
Suspected militant recruiter also recently visited Morocco and Mauritania
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The next largest group of Muslims are in the 2 nations currently being destroyed by ISIS and those in immediate danger of being attacked by ISIS. They are fighting ISIS tooth and nail.

Keep in mind ISIS is out to destroy nearly 90% of the world's Muslims they are a greater danger to Islam than to any Western Nations. the only reason any non-Muslims are being harmed is because they happen to be in the Muslim Nations ISIS is trying to conquer.

This war is predominantly a war of Islam versus ISIS
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Old 10-07-2014, 09:31 AM
 
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that is not correct,

ISIS, is Islam, followed more closely than most other branches.

They are doing exactly what Muhammed did, and ordered his followers to do.


Muslims fighting ISIS are not fighting for religious purposes, as ISIS can show you in writing, from God, they are on the right path.

The west actually needs a group like ISIS, so the world can see what Islam is all about.
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Old 10-07-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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that is not correct,

ISIS, is Islam, followed more closely than most other branches.

They are doing exactly what Muhammed did, and ordered his followers to do.


Muslims fighting ISIS are not fighting for religious purposes, as ISIS can show you in writing, from God, they are on the right path.

The west actually needs a group like ISIS, so the world can see what Islam is all about.
The vast majority of us disagree with that.

What most of us believe to be Islam has little resemblance to what you and ISIS claim to be Islam.
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